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You've Eaten all the Biscuits / "Julius W"
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George Dance
2014-01-20 02:01:38 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:06:39 -0500, Will
A shame you aren't as good a poet as you are troll, isn't it?
One of my favourite trolls was the one in which I induced your BFF
George Dunce to plead with me for the privilege of being allowed to
"publish" some deliberately bad verse that I'd posted under a
pseudonym.
Since neither PJ nor "Julius W" were posting to aapc at the time, regular readers will have no idea what he's talking about. So I think it would be entertaining to let them read what actually happened.

Here's my first post to RAP on the subject. (At the end, it explains what I was doing on RAP, which I'd left a year previously).

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RONDEAU I : "You've eaten all the biscuits..."
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
tired after eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of cocoa-nut or honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this day-time feast of yours is funny.
In olden times they'd put you on the rack
for off'ring me no biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red like jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
No biscuits or women were harmed in the writing of this poem!
Be gentle, please, but be honest.
Honestly, it's technically very well done. The rhymes are all
'natural' -- no inversions, or other strange speech patterns -- and a
couple of them are surprises: rack and runny, for example.

Content-wise, it's just light verse. But so what? It was
entertaining.

It even hit home. I got the idea 'biscuits' were cookies -- I've got
the idea they're called 'biscuits' in England -- and I've been eating
a lot of cookies since I gave up cigarettes 40 or so days ago. We'd be
completely out right now, if not for some helpful Girl Guides who came
to our door earlier in the week.

(BTW, I dnn't read RAP a lot these days. I saw the copy of your sonnet
that Will Dockery crossposted to AAPC, and came over to read more by
you.)
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And my second:

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On a second read, I don't like 'off'ring', and I don't think it reads
quite right. i'd suggest:

for leaving me not biscuits but a lack
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And here's the third, after I'd gone over the poor boy's work:

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After multiple readings -- and, yes, your rondeau is worth multiple
readings -- i'd recommend a few other word changes. Rather than talk
about them, i thought i'd just show them to you by putting them all in
one edit;

Rondeau I: "You've eaten all the biscuits!"

You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
fatigued from eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of coconut and honey,
to find no biscuits, just an empty pack:
you've eaten all the biscuits!

Don't think this daytime feast of yours is funny.
In olden days they'd put you on the rack
for leaving me not biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red as jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!

---
Julius W.

As i've told you in emails you may not have seen, i'd like to hear
from you asap. if you see this post, please reply.
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It needed work, but it's far better than anything that PJ posted under his own name in the past 7 years (except for "Hymn to the Virgin", of course).
We've heard a lot less about Dunce the "publisher" since I
inflicted that particular humiliation on him.
The Penny Blog is still going, and I'm still publishing poetry on it. You haven't heard about that? I must not be advertising it enough on aapc.
Eschewing false modesty, I think that the "Julius Wyatt" troll might
have been the second best AAPC troll of all time
Actually, that was not an "AAPC troll" at all; all of that happened on RAP. When "Julius" did later show up on aapc, what happened was that, like any new poster, he got flamed by PJ's toadies, ggamble and ggwyneth.

But that's another story, which aapc readers can read for themselves if they wish:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Btgqo4W5fl8%5B1-25-false%5D
Will Dockery
2014-01-20 11:58:38 UTC
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Funny stuff, now I remember the Julius thing, slightly.
George Dance
2014-01-21 03:46:54 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Funny stuff, now I remember the Julius thing, slightly.
Here's a bit more; reading through the thread, I found the reason for the "urgent" tone in the emails that PJ keeps talking about. At the time, I was publishing the first issue of /April/ magazine: the online magazine of new poetry that I was posting on the blog on April in honor of National Poetry Month. I thought Julius's work would fit in here:

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Yes, it is; technically it's near perfect (and can easily be revised
the rest of the way); in content it's funny in a novel way.

At first I wanted it to replace Rutkowski's 'Baguette', which i didn't
think at the time I was going to get. Then, when Rutkowski did let me
use 'Baguette', I thought the rondeau would go perfectly between
'Baguette' and 'The Smoker' -- let the nicotine addict be foreshadowed
by the biscuit addict. Alas, it was not to be.

I still think it's an excellent poem; certainly the best thing PJ's
posted this year.
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Will Dockery
2015-03-20 06:45:48 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Funny stuff, now I remember the Julius thing, slightly.
<quote>
Yes, it is; technically it's near perfect (and can easily be revised
the rest of the way); in content it's funny in a novel way.
At first I wanted it to replace Rutkowski's 'Baguette', which i didn't
think at the time I was going to get. Then, when Rutkowski did let me
use 'Baguette', I thought the rondeau would go perfectly between
'Baguette' and 'The Smoker' -- let the nicotine addict be foreshadowed
by the biscuit addict. Alas, it was not to be.
I still think it's an excellent poem; certainly the best thing PJ's
posted this year.
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Yes, the Deadline crunch.

Having turned in a monthly column (on time) since 1998, I'm well aware of that rush mode that editors go into when the pasteups are coming due.
THE COLONEL
2014-01-20 17:42:35 UTC
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Exactly what happened last night, I assume. I got home later than usual,
having imbibed a copious amount of martinis. Didn't register at the time,
or I didn't notice. However, when I got up this morning I noted someone had
eaten all the fucking croissants! Damn that person to fucking Hell!

Thank you for allowing this moment of sharing. Have a Pleasance day.
g***@hotmail.com
2014-01-21 03:22:18 UTC
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Post by George Dance
It even hit home. I got the idea 'biscuits' were cookies -- I've got
the idea they're called 'biscuits' in England -- and I've been eating
a lot of cookies since I gave up cigarettes 40 or so days ago. We'd be
completely out right now, if not for some helpful Girl Guides who came
to our door earlier in the week.
You're unusually sucky when you're trying to get something from somebody,
aren't you?
George Dance
2014-01-21 03:48:42 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
You're unusually sucky when you're trying to get something from somebody,
aren't you?
I believe the word you're looking for is 'friendly'. Yes, as you know, I'm friendly with everyone -- until a person proves to me that he or she isn't worth it.

Now, fuck off.
Peter J Ross
2014-01-21 04:03:23 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 21 Jan 2014 03:22:18 GMT,
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by George Dance
It even hit home. I got the idea 'biscuits' were cookies -- I've got
the idea they're called 'biscuits' in England -- and I've been eating
a lot of cookies since I gave up cigarettes 40 or so days ago. We'd be
completely out right now, if not for some helpful Girl Guides who came
to our door earlier in the week.
You're unusually sucky when you're trying to get something from somebody,
aren't you?
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."

"As i've told you in emails you may not have seen, i'd like to hear
from you asap. if you see this post, please reply."
--
PJR :-)

ἔστι τις σιῶν τίσις - Alcman
g***@hotmail.com
2014-01-21 04:17:02 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
You're unusually sucky when you're trying to get something from somebody,
aren't you?
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
"As i've told you in emails you may not have seen, i'd like to hear
from you asap. if you see this post, please reply."
--
PJR :-)
He does sound rather breathless.

Maybe he was having a nic fit.

Maybe he's always having a nic fit.
George Dance
2014-01-21 04:27:54 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,

I'm not an experienced author, and I've had no previous contact with publishers, so I'm something of a fog about what it is exactly that you're proposing to me. I'd be grateful if you would clarify the following points:

No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?

No. 2. Is any payment involved?

No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?

I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.

Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
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Will Dockery
2015-03-20 05:28:35 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
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Well, that sure does look like a letter from Julius Wyatt... and showing that George Dance wanted to publish Julius Wyatt and not PJR (although he was in fact the actual, secret author of the poem and probably this letter), for what any of that's worth, or even worth discussing.
H H
2015-03-20 05:34:16 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
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wow - how anxious you must have been to publish him not to see this for an
obvious troll!
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 05:47:45 UTC
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Post by H H
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
</q>
wow - how anxious you must have been to publish him not to see this for an
obvious troll!
I'm not seeing the "obvious troll" part.

The Julius Wyatt character was intended to be a writer inexperienced with publishing and so on, and these seem to be questions that such a novice poet might ask.
Michael Pendragon
2015-03-20 12:59:19 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by H H
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
</q>
wow - how anxious you must have been to publish him not to see this for an
obvious troll!
I'm not seeing the "obvious troll" part.
The Julius Wyatt character was intended to be a writer inexperienced with publishing and so on, and these seem to be questions that such a novice poet might ask.
"Julius" is a much less obvious troll than "Peter J. Ross." The former admits to being a novice, and his "Biscuits" poem is a step up from the latter's usual claptrap.

What's funny is that Milo would beg such an obvious troll as Peter to join him in the Pig Pen.
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 13:22:20 UTC
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What's really funny is that what's-his-name specifically invited that other
what's-his-name to join, but specifically told another what's-his-name that
he couldn't join because he was supposedly a bad person for some reason
or other. I thought all of that was really very funny. It might even have been
hilarious, except that I don't remember levels of funny as well as I used to.
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 13:40:36 UTC
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Post by Hieronymous707
What's really funny is that what's-his-name specifically invited that other
what's-his-name to join, but specifically told another what's-his-name that
he couldn't join because he was supposedly a bad person for some reason
or other. I thought all of that was really very funny. It might even have been
hilarious, except that I don't remember levels of funny as well as I used to.
I remember some of that, myself, mostly the laughter.

:D
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 14:04:18 UTC
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Funny, I don't remember you laughing. I remember us
talking, and I remember you singing with your friends,
but I have no recollection of you laughing at all.
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 14:20:17 UTC
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Post by Hieronymous707
Funny, I don't remember you laughing. I remember us
talking, and I remember you singing with your friends,
but I have no recollection of you laughing at all.
I suppose it was more of a chortle?

:D
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 14:24:22 UTC
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Can you please rephrase your question in the form of a question?
I was commenting on the fact that you said that you remember
laughter, which caused me to try to remember what your laugh
sounds like, and I couldn't. I have no memory of you laughing.
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 14:33:42 UTC
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Post by Hieronymous707
I was commenting on the fact that you said that you remember
laughter, which caused me to try to remember what your laugh
sounds like, and I couldn't. I have no memory of you laughing.
Now that you mention it, I don't remember hearing you laugh, either?
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 14:36:56 UTC
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Can you please rephrase your question in the form of a question?
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 14:51:13 UTC
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Post by Hieronymous707
Can you please rephrase your question in the form of a question?
The question about either of us laughing?

No, I don't remember either of us laughing, so no questions for now.
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 15:10:29 UTC
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Okay, great. No worries. It's not a laughing competition.
Nobody wins the laughing contest between us. I remember
myself laughing at Doo-Nanny, because it was a fun event
in general, and I remember specificly laughing with several
of your friends, because we were having a good time, but I
don't specifically remember ever hearing you laugh, or having
laughed with you, and if you did, then I simply don't remember
what your laugh sounds like. That's all I meant. No offense.
Michael Pendragon
2015-03-20 14:05:24 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Hieronymous707
What's really funny is that what's-his-name specifically invited that other
what's-his-name to join, but specifically told another what's-his-name that
he couldn't join because he was supposedly a bad person for some reason
or other. I thought all of that was really very funny. It might even have been
hilarious, except that I don't remember levels of funny as well as I used to.
I remember some of that, myself, mostly the laughter.
Yeah, it's coming back to me, too. I seem to recall what's-his-name barring at least three other what's-his-names from the former's whatchamacallit-Pen ... which none of the latter three what's-his-names ever wanted to join in the first place. But the punchline was that the what's-his-name that what's-his-name had been begging didn't want to join the whatchamacallit-Pen either.

I wonder if I've been barred from the whatchamacallit-Pen yet. Hey Yappy Lapdog! What's my membership eligibility status???
Hieronymous707
2015-03-20 14:20:15 UTC
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I remember when what's-his-name called me a whatchamacallit,
or a whatchamajigger, or some such thing, suggesting that I'd
done something that I didn't actually do, like the fellow did last
weekend with the thing he read when he said I wrote what I didn't.
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 14:30:08 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Hieronymous707
What's really funny is that what's-his-name specifically invited that other
what's-his-name to join, but specifically told another what's-his-name that
he couldn't join because he was supposedly a bad person for some reason
or other. I thought all of that was really very funny. It might even have been
hilarious, except that I don't remember levels of funny as well as I used to.
I remember some of that, myself, mostly the laughter.
Yeah, it's coming back to me, too. I seem to recall what's-his-name barring at least three other what's-his-names from the former's whatchamacallit-Pen ... which none of the latter three what's-his-names ever wanted to join in the first place. But the punchline was that the what's-his-name that what's-his-name had been begging didn't want to join the whatchamacallit-Pen either.
I wonder if I've been barred from the whatchamacallit-Pen yet. Hey Yappy Lapdog! What's my membership eligibility status???
Well, for better or worse, Google Groups lists you as a solid "Regular":

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And that's the name of that tune.

:D
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 22:19:04 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
"Julius" is a much less obvious troll than "Peter J. Ross." The former admits to being a novice, and his "Biscuits" poem is a step up from the latter's usual claptrap.
What's funny is that Milo would beg such an obvious troll as Peter to join him in the Pig Pen.
Yes, it must be troubling to PJR that his sock is a better poet than he is.

:D
George Dance
2015-03-20 10:16:42 UTC
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Post by H H
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
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wow - how anxious you must have been to publish him not to see this for an
obvious troll!
Peter J Ross
2015-03-20 22:00:27 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT),
Post by H H
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
"Mr. W., I've been trying to reach you on RAP & by email; but you
haven't replied so I don't know if you've seen any of those. I'm
pinging here on the chance that you're now reading AAPC. Please check
your email and get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks."
<quote>
Dear Mr Dance,
No. 1. Does your publication exist only on the Web, or is there also a printed version?
No. 2. Is any payment involved?
No. 3. If your edited version is published, by you or by any other publisher, how is copyright apportioned between you and me?
I apologise for the lateness of my reply, but I don't have regular access to computers in general or the Web in particular.
Yours sincerely,
Julius Wyatt,
</q>
wow - how anxious you must have been to publish him not to see this for an
obvious troll!
I can't remember if he'd sent three or only two increasingly urgent
emails to "Julius" (besides desperately pinging him in public) before
"Julius" condescended to reply. If he accepted my challenge to post
the complete, unedited Dunce/Wyatt correspondence, it would clarify
the issue, but he's probably wise to decline.
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
George Dance
2015-03-20 22:09:26 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
I can't remember if he'd sent three or only two increasingly urgent
emails to "Julius" (besides desperately pinging him in public) before
"Julius" condescended to reply.
It's funny how Piggy is suddenly unable to check the email on an account he says he set up for trolling purposes, isn't it?
Post by Peter J Ross
If he accepted my challenge to post
the complete, unedited Dunce/Wyatt correspondence, it would clarify
the issue, but he's probably wise to decline.
There's no issue to clarify. The generic troll <***@hotmail.com> made a claim -- that I was "anxious" to "publish" Piggy Ross on my blog -- that he so far hasn't backed up. Since he's had ample opportunity, it's safe to assume he was simply trolling (yet again) and inventing bogus facts (yet again).
Peter J Ross
2015-03-20 22:36:45 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:09:26 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
I can't remember if he'd sent three or only two increasingly urgent
emails to "Julius" (besides desperately pinging him in public)
before "Julius" condescended to reply.
It's funny how Piggy is suddenly unable to check the email on an
account he says he set up for trolling purposes, isn't it?
I closed the account when I no longer needed it. I probably still have
copies of the emails on a backup disc, so don't assume that you can
lie about their contents.
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
If he accepted my challenge to post the complete, unedited
Dunce/Wyatt correspondence, it would clarify the issue, but he's
probably wise to decline.
There's no issue to clarify.
We all know that you were desperate to publish "poetry" I'd written.
In other words, you were desperate to publish *me*.

The only doubt is about just how desperate you were to publish me:
very desperate, extremely desperate, or grovelling on the ground
begging and pleading.
You've never posted using that mailbox, generic troll.
Post by George Dance
made a claim -- that I was "anxious" to "publish" Piggy Ross on my
blog -- that he so far hasn't backed up.
The public facts speak for themselves, generic troll.
Post by George Dance
Since he's had ample opportunity, it's safe to assume he was simply
trolling (yet again) and inventing bogus facts (yet again).
Are you declaring VICTOLLY!!!!!!1!!!!111!!, generic troll?
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
Will Dockery
2015-03-20 23:05:05 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
We all know that you were desperate to publish "poetry" I'd written.
In other words, you were desperate to publish *me*.
No, it is obvious George wanted to publish the poetry of Julius Wyatt, which at the time had zero to do with you as far as any of us knew at the time.

Tricky move you made, writing better poetry as Julius Wyatt than the poetry you post under your own name... that fooled a lot (if not everyone) of people!

:D
George Dance
2015-03-20 23:25:30 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
We all know that you were desperate to publish "poetry" I'd written.
In other words, you were desperate to publish *me*.
No, it is obvious George wanted to publish the poetry of Julius Wyatt, which at the time had zero to do with you as far as any of us knew at the time.
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems, including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had (and still have) no idea who he is.
Post by Will Dockery
Tricky move you made, writing better poetry as Julius Wyatt than the poetry you post under your own name... that fooled a lot (if not everyone) of people!
:D
Will Dockery
2015-03-21 00:25:48 UTC
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A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems, including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had (and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
George Dance
2015-03-21 02:36:59 UTC
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Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems, including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had (and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest. I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Will Dockery
2015-03-21 06:27:46 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems, including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had (and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest. I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Yes, I don't see much there that could lead anywhere... one thing is for sure, it seems that using the Julius Wyatt moniker is giving PJR the inspiration he's lacked for years, if he ever even had it to begin with.
Peter J Ross
2015-03-21 17:16:51 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:36:59 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems,
including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of
the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for
the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had
(and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius
Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest.
I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort
of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no
Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Why do you stalk people who don't exist, Dunce?
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
Will Dockery
2015-03-21 18:21:47 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:36:59 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems,
including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of
the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for
the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had
(and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius
Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest.
I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort
of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no
Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Why do you stalk people who don't exist
Why do you call looking up a poet on the internet "stalking", Peter?

:D
George Dance
2015-03-21 18:54:20 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:36:59 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems,
including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of
the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for
the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had
(and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius
Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest.
I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort
of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no
Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Why do you stalk people who don't exist
Why do you call looking up a poet on the internet "stalking", Peter?
:D
Notice how he never answers your questions, Will. This time he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to squeal at you for asking them.
Peter J Ross
2015-03-21 18:59:01 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 21 Mar 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:36:59 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems,
including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in any of
the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish one just for
the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my blog, since I had
(and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for "Julius
Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost interest.
I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook pages, that sort
of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt poems" turn up no
Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even more inexact matches.
Why do you stalk people who don't exist
Why do you call looking up a poet on the internet "stalking", Peter?
:D
Notice how he never answers your questions, Will.
Learn what a killfile is, Dunce.

Also learn that kooks don't have a right to have their questions
answered.
Post by George Dance
This time he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to squeal at
you for asking them.
Congratulations to Cujo for being an object of Dunce's envious
obsession.
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-03-21 19:05:17 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 21 Mar 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:36:59 -0700
Post by George Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
A slight correction: I wanted to publish a number of poems,
including one bylined "Julius Wyatt". I had no interest in
any of the other poems he posted, nor did I want to publish
one just for the sake of getting a "Julius Wyatt poem" on my
blog, since I had (and still have) no idea who he is.
Got it... I never looked, but I assume that a search for
"Julius Wyatt" turns up nothing on Google?
I hadn't looked either; after the guy blew me off, I lost
interest. I just looked now: "Julius Wyatt" turns up Facebook
pages, that sort of thing. "Julius Wyatt poet" or "Julian Wyatt
poems" turn up no Julius, just "Julian Wyatt" sites and even
more inexact matches.
Why do you stalk people who don't exist
Why do you call looking up a poet on the internet "stalking", Peter?
:D
Notice how he never answers your questions, Will.
Learn what a killfile is, Dunce.
Also learn that kooks don't have a right to have their questions
answered.
Post by George Dance
This time he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to squeal at
you for asking them.
Congratulations to Cujo for being an object of Dunce's envious
obsession.
DING! Yet another lits! I hereby declare the lits non-defective.
--
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alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I am not in the habit of calling anyone stupid or inferring that they
are stupid, because I'm not overly bright myself." - Raytard Murphy shows
his grasp of the blindingly obvious.
George Dance
2015-03-20 23:23:05 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:09:26 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
I can't remember if he'd sent three or only two increasingly urgent
emails to "Julius" (besides desperately pinging him in public)
before "Julius" condescended to reply.
It's funny how Piggy is suddenly unable to check the email on an
account he says he set up for trolling purposes, isn't it?
I closed the account when I no longer needed it. I probably still have
copies of the emails on a backup disc
Then I'd advise you to go and look for them.

, so don't assume that you can
Post by Peter J Ross
lie about their contents.
Well, there's your opportunity. I've already made statements about what I said in those emails, and even a quote from one of Julius Wyatt's. Finding, and posting, them would both expose any actual lies or misstatements of mine (assuming there are any), and help establish that you were in fact Julius Wyatt. So what are you waiting for: start rooting around.
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
If he accepted my challenge to post the complete, unedited
Dunce/Wyatt correspondence, it would clarify the issue, but he's
probably wise to decline.
There's no issue to clarify.
We all know that you were desperate to publish "poetry" I'd written.
I was "desperate" to publish a number of poems I liked, one of which you may have written. (Of course, the fact that Julius Wyatt posted it is not proof that he wrote it, but it certainly would make your story that you wrote it more likely to be true if you could establish that you posted it as Wyatt).
Post by Peter J Ross
In other words, you were desperate to publish *me*.
Once again, I don't judge authors, but poems. I might have relax that standard enough to put a mediocre poem by a famous name on my blog, but you certainly don't qualify.
Not at all. (I should point out that, had I published the Wyatt poem, that still wouldn't have been "publishing you", since your name wouldn't have appeared and no one (including me) would ever have known that you wrote it.)
Post by Peter J Ross
very desperate, extremely desperate, or grovelling on the ground
begging and pleading.
Not very. Two or three people turned me down, but in the end I had enough poetry for that issue of /April/
Post by Peter J Ross
You've never posted using that mailbox, generic troll.
Post by George Dance
made a claim -- that I was "anxious" to "publish" Piggy Ross on my
blog -- that he so far hasn't backed up.
The public facts speak for themselves, generic troll.
Then why are you and the rest of what's left of your gang not letting them? All five of you have been in here attempting to misrepresent them, and even to invent quite a few bogus facts of their own.
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
Since he's had ample opportunity, it's safe to assume he was simply
trolling (yet again) and inventing bogus facts (yet again).
Are you declaring VICTOLLY!!!!!!1!!!!111!!, generic troll?
Sheesh ... Make up your mind. Is The Generic Troll <***@hotmail.com> my "sockpuppoet" or not?
George Dance
2015-03-20 23:31:23 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
You're unusually sucky when you're trying to get something from somebody,
aren't you?
I'm always polite to people except when there's a reason not to be, assclown.

(One would think that my own sockpuppet would know that).
Will Dockery
2014-01-24 15:17:36 UTC
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"George Dance" wrote in message news:7a67c5a2-f544-4d0b-b3fe-
RONDEAU I : "You've eaten all the biscuits..."
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
tired after eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of cocoa-nut or honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this day-time feast of yours is funny.
In olden times they'd put you on the rack
for off'ring me no biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red like jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
Written by Julius W.
"If you don't eat your biscuits, you can't have any pudding. how can you.
Have any pudding if you don't eat your biscuits?"
g***@hotmail.com
2015-03-21 18:58:17 UTC
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Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking", little willie douchebag?
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-03-21 19:06:56 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking", little willie douchebag?
It's consistent with not having a drink he's paid for in the last 10 years
constituting an ongoing record of sobriety.
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award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
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"Absolutely "nothing" happens to me here." - Edmo just before whining
more spurious complaints to deaf ears.
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Peter J Ross
2015-03-21 19:34:49 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:06:56 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking", little willie douchebag?
It's consistent with not having a drink he's paid for in the last 10 years
constituting an ongoing record of sobriety.
It's consistent with posting delusional dreck to Usenet 24/7
constituting being a TV star.
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-03-21 20:16:29 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:06:56 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking", little willie douchebag?
It's consistent with not having a drink he's paid for in the last 10
years constituting an ongoing record of sobriety.
It's consistent with posting delusional dreck to Usenet 24/7
constituting being a TV star.
It's consistent with encouraging votes for most popular music on a
meaningless internet site to make someone with three unpaid gigs a year
look wildly in demand.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I have defined it 100 times and lost my account at AOL for doing so"
and "I have lost no accounts for spamming." - Edmo trying to have it
both ways.
Will Dockery
2015-03-21 19:55:33 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking"
Interesting, you never asked Peter J. Ross that question when he scolded you for stalking Michael Pendragon a few months ago... forgot all about that, didn't you?

:D

Here it is, from the archives:

================================================================

http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/sqb5SOPp/summer-poetry-by-mmp

g***@hotmail.com 6 months ago
Post by Michael Pendragon
I've got friends & family in Italy.
That makes your unfamiliarity with elementary Italian even more amusing.

http://1199seiubenefits .org/contact-us/

I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using one of their computer terminals.

Peter J Ross 6 months ago
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
Post by g***@hotmail.com
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using one of
their computer terminals.

I don't think this kind of post is acceptable.

Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
--
PJR :-)
... τὸ διδάξασθαι δέ τοι
εἰδότι ῥᾴτερον· ἄγνωμον δὲ τὸ μὴ προμαθεῖν·
κουφότεραι γὰρ ἀπειράτων φρένες. (Pindar)

Michael Pendragon 6 months ago
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
Post by g***@hotmail.com
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using one of their computer terminals.
I don't think this kind of post is acceptable.
Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
Why, Piggy! You've got some scruples after all. Dare I even go so far as to say "ethics"?

But don't you think that usurping the identity of a former member (assuming there are, in fact, two little Piggy's) also crosses over the line?

===============================================================

It was also noted that you never managed to respond to any of these posts, Generic Troll... wonder how you managed to miss them?

:D
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-03-21 20:18:02 UTC
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On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:58:13 PM UTC-4, generic troll
Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking"
Interesting, you never asked Peter J. Ross that question when he
scolded you for stalking Michael Pendragon a few months ago... forgot
all about that, didn't you?
:D
===============================================================
http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/sqb5SOPp/summer-poetry-by-m
mp
Post by Michael Pendragon
I've got friends & family in Italy.
That makes your unfamiliarity with elementary Italian even more amusing.
http://1199seiubenefits .org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals.
Peter J Ross 6 months ago
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals.
I don't think this kind of post is acceptable.
Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
--
PJR :-)
... τ᜞ ΎιΎάΟασΞαι Ύέ τοι
εጰΎότι ῥ៎τεροΜ· ጄγΜωΌοΜ Ύᜲ τ᜞ Όᜎ
προΌαΞεῖΜ· κουφότεραι γᜰρ ጀπειράτωΜ
φρέΜες. (Pindar)
Michael Pendragon 6 months ago
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals. I don't think this kind of post is
acceptable. Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
Why, Piggy! You've got some scruples after all. Dare I even go so far as to say "ethics"?
But don't you think that usurping the identity of a former member
(assuming there are, in fact, two little Piggy's) also crosses over
the line?
==============================================================
It was also noted that you never managed to respond to any of these
posts, Generic Troll... wonder how you managed to miss them?
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooss
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"And again, anyone who believes they have THE answers, is suffering from
delusions of granduer, a liar, a fool, and lacking in mature
perspectives."
- Edmo in self-diagnosis mode.
Will Dockery
2015-03-21 20:32:47 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
Why do you call looking up a poet on the
internet "stalking"
Interesting, you never asked Peter J. Ross that question when he
scolded you for stalking Michael Pendragon a few months ago... forgot
all about that, didn't you?
:D
===============================================================
http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/sqb5SOPp/summer-poetry-by-m
mp
Post by Michael Pendragon
I've got friends & family in Italy.
That makes your unfamiliarity with elementary Italian even more amusing.
http://1199seiubenefits .org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals.
Peter J Ross 6 months ago
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals.
I don't think this kind of post is acceptable.
Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
--
PJR :-)
... τὸ διδάξασθαι δέ τοι
εἰδότι ῥᾴτερον· ἄγνωμον δὲ τὸ μὴ
προμαθεῖν· κουφότεραι γὰρ ἀπειράτων
φρένες. (Pindar)
Michael Pendragon 6 months ago
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:29:56 GMT,
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using
one of their computer terminals. I don't think this kind of post is
acceptable. Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
Why, Piggy! You've got some scruples after all. Dare I even go so far
as to say "ethics"?
But don't you think that usurping the identity of a former member
(assuming there are, in fact, two little Piggy's) also crosses over
the line?
==============================================================
It was also noted that you never managed to respond to any of these
posts, Generic Troll... wonder how you managed to miss them?
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooss
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Exactly... and I doubt he'll "be able to see" this post either.

:D

Here's more...

http://comments.poetry.arts.alt.groups.com.ru/316055-Generic_Trolls_stalking_noted

Generic Troll's stalking noted

Subject Generic Troll's stalking noted
From Will Dockery
Date Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:51:16 -0700 PDT
Newsgroups alt.arts.poetry.comments
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Will Dockery
http://1199seiubenefits.org/contact-us/
I wonder what happens when they disc over that the janitor is using one of
their computer terminals.
I don't think this kind of post is acceptable.
Please leave the real-life stalking to the kooks.
I think Generic Troll missed the memo, PJR.

Re-posted for him.
g***@hotmail.com
2015-03-21 19:02:27 UTC
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Post by George Dance
he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to
squeal at you
What traumatic event caused your emotional
development to stall out so early.

You sound like a fourteen year old.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-03-21 19:07:53 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by George Dance
he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to
squeal at you
What traumatic event caused your emotional
development to stall out so early.
You sound like a fourteen year old.
Why does Dunce think using gay lames on a lesbian will work?
--
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alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.

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Peter J Ross
2015-03-21 19:12:27 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:02:27 GMT,
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by George Dance
he didn't even get Cuckoo Kevin the tranny to
squeal at you
What traumatic event caused your emotional
development to stall out so early.
You sound like a fourteen year old.
Is it really necessary to insult fourteen-year-olds?

Or were you thinking of a fourteen-year-old chimp?
--
PJR :-)
... ἐκ γὰρ εὐτυχοῦς
ἥδιστον ἐχθρὸν ἄνδρα δυστυχοῦνθ᾽ ὁρᾶν.
— Euripides
Will Dockery
2015-09-11 21:11:40 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Here's my first post to RAP on the subject. (At the end, it explains what I was doing on RAP, which I'd left a year previously).
<quote>
RONDEAU I : "You've eaten all the biscuits..."
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
tired after eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of cocoa-nut or honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this day-time feast of yours is funny.
In olden times they'd put you on the rack
for off'ring me no biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red like jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
No biscuits or women were harmed in the writing of this poem!
Be gentle, please, but be honest.
Honestly, it's technically very well done. The rhymes are all
'natural' -- no inversions, or other strange speech patterns -- and a
couple of them are surprises: rack and runny, for example.
Content-wise, it's just light verse. But so what? It was
entertaining.
Rondeau I: "You've eaten all the biscuits!"
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
fatigued from eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of coconut and honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this daytime feast of yours is funny.
In olden days they'd put you on the rack
for leaving me not biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red as jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
---
Julius W.
It needed work, but it's far better than anything that PJ posted under his own name in the past 7 years (except for "Hymn to the Virgin", of course).
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Btgqo4W5fl8%5B1-25-false%5D
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?

:D
George Dance
2015-09-11 22:25:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
Here's my first post to RAP on the subject. (At the end, it explains what I was doing on RAP, which I'd left a year previously).
<quote>
RONDEAU I : "You've eaten all the biscuits..."
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
tired after eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of cocoa-nut or honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this day-time feast of yours is funny.
In olden times they'd put you on the rack
for off'ring me no biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red like jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
No biscuits or women were harmed in the writing of this poem!
Be gentle, please, but be honest.
Honestly, it's technically very well done. The rhymes are all
'natural' -- no inversions, or other strange speech patterns -- and a
couple of them are surprises: rack and runny, for example.
Content-wise, it's just light verse. But so what? It was
entertaining.
Rondeau I: "You've eaten all the biscuits!"
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
fatigued from eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of coconut and honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this daytime feast of yours is funny.
In olden days they'd put you on the rack
for leaving me not biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red as jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
---
Julius W.
It needed work, but it's far better than anything that PJ posted under his own name in the past 7 years (except for "Hymn to the Virgin", of course).
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Btgqo4W5fl8%5B1-25-false%5D
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
:D
The first one that I remember reading. Later on, I discovered that he'd posted 2 sonnets to rec.arts.poems, before trying his hand at rondeaus. I may have read either or both of those, but they made no impression.
Will Dockery
2015-09-12 00:13:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Dance
Post by George Dance
Here's my first post to RAP on the subject. (At the end, it explains
what I was doing on RAP, which I'd left a year previously).
<quote>
RONDEAU I : "You've eaten all the biscuits..."
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
tired after eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of cocoa-nut or honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this day-time feast of yours is funny.
In olden times they'd put you on the rack
for off'ring me no biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red like jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
No biscuits or women were harmed in the writing of this poem!
Be gentle, please, but be honest.
Honestly, it's technically very well done. The rhymes are all
'natural' -- no inversions, or other strange speech patterns -- and a
couple of them are surprises: rack and runny, for example.
Content-wise, it's just light verse. But so what? It was
entertaining.
Rondeau I: "You've eaten all the biscuits!"
You've eaten all the biscuits! I come back,
fatigued from eight hours' earning biscuit-money,
dreaming of tastes of coconut and honey,
you've eaten all the biscuits!
Don't think this daytime feast of yours is funny.
In olden days they'd put you on the rack
for leaving me not biscuits but a lack
thereof. See, blood, like melted cream, is runny,
and yours is red as jam.... Who wouldn't crack?
You've eaten all the biscuits!
---
Julius W.
It needed work, but it's far better than anything that PJ posted under
his own name in the past 7 years (except for "Hymn to the Virgin", of
course).
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Btgqo4W5fl8%5B1-25-false%5D
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
:D
The first one that I remember reading. Later on, I discovered that he'd
posted 2 sonnets to rec.arts.poems, before trying his hand at rondeaus. I
may
have read either or both of those, but they made no impression.
Yeah, it was pretty funny the way a sockpuppet wrote better poetry than
Peter did ordinarily.

:D
Peter J Ross
2015-09-11 23:15:18 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
Will Dockery wrote:

<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".

===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."

If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.


Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================

Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that it
wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or ten
minutes writing "RONDEAU I".

By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".

In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled anybody
before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining about the
hook you bit.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-11 23:42:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that it
wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or ten
minutes writing "RONDEAU I".
By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".
In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled anybody
before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining about the
hook you bit.
They liked *that*? Figures.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Nutrinos (sic) are one of the key understanding to this idea. This is
how
most aliens traverse the multiverse at this time." - Edmo on a full
delusional ride in his own created reality.
Peter J Ross
2015-09-12 00:48:41 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:42:42 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that it
wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or ten
minutes writing "RONDEAU I".
By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".
In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled anybody
before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining about the
hook you bit.
They liked *that*? Figures.
I don't know if they liked it. They'd have had to be able to read
in order to like (or dislike) it. But they certainly slurped it.

As recently as a few months ago Dunce was claiming that Julius Wyatt
couldn't possibly be my sock, because JW's "poems" were much better
than any I could possibly have written. And, as today's posts show,
they're still wriggling on the hook.

Trolling very stupid people is so easy that I'm surprised it isn't
done more often.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-12 01:15:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:42:42 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".
===[begin_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
==================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that it
wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or ten
minutes writing "RONDEAU I".
By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".
In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled anybody
before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining about the
hook you bit.
They liked *that*? Figures.
I don't know if they liked it. They'd have had to be able to read
in order to like (or dislike) it. But they certainly slurped it.
As recently as a few months ago Dunce was claiming that Julius Wyatt
couldn't possibly be my sock, because JW's "poems" were much better
than any I could possibly have written. And, as today's posts show,
they're still wriggling on the hook.
Trolling very stupid people is so easy that I'm surprised it isn't
done more often.
Shouldn't you be telling that to Creepy Mike, Bobby?
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Now that Google will be established as a "foundational aspect" of the
Internet, my work is secure and referenceable for many years to come.
Just as I planned it." - Edmo plots his immortality via Google.
Peter J Ross
2015-09-12 01:25:58 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:15:51 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:42:42 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT),
<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".
===[begin_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
==================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that it
wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or ten
minutes writing "RONDEAU I".
By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".
In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled anybody
before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining about the
hook you bit.
They liked *that*? Figures.
I don't know if they liked it. They'd have had to be able to read
in order to like (or dislike) it. But they certainly slurped it.
As recently as a few months ago Dunce was claiming that Julius Wyatt
couldn't possibly be my sock, because JW's "poems" were much better
than any I could possibly have written. And, as today's posts show,
they're still wriggling on the hook.
Trolling very stupid people is so easy that I'm surprised it isn't
done more often.
Shouldn't you be telling that to Creepy Mike, Bobby?
That's a very silly question, Dental.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-12 03:10:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:15:51 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:42:42 +0000
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:11:40 -0700
<drivelsnip>
Post by Will Dockery
This was probably the first Julius Wyatt post, correct, George?
It was the second. It was preceded by the following magnificently
risible "sonnet".
===[begin_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
==================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
Having spent ten or fifteen minutes writing that, I decided that
it wasn't quite moronic enough to troll Dunce, so I spent five or
ten minutes writing "RONDEAU I".
By that time, I was having so much fun perpetrating drivel that I
spent as much as a further hour or two, in total, writing three
further "sonnets", one further "rondeau" and an unutterably vile
"epigram".
In 2010, I trolled you and Dunce harder than I'd ever trolled
anybody before. In 2015, perhaps it's time for you to stop whining
about the hook you bit.
They liked *that*? Figures.
I don't know if they liked it. They'd have had to be able to read
in order to like (or dislike) it. But they certainly slurped it.
As recently as a few months ago Dunce was claiming that Julius Wyatt
couldn't possibly be my sock, because JW's "poems" were much better
than any I could possibly have written. And, as today's posts show,
they're still wriggling on the hook.
Trolling very stupid people is so easy that I'm surprised it isn't
done more often.
Shouldn't you be telling that to Creepy Mike, Bobby?
That's a very silly question, Dental.
Knock it off, Pendragon.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I WILL GO IN PERSON AND TAKE ALL LEGAL, ETHICAL, AND MATERIAL ACTION I
CAN" -Edmo finally right, but not in the way he expected ....
George Dance
2015-09-12 00:57:21 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
matthewerwwin
2015-09-12 01:04:17 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
Right...I wasn't in the group at the time.

: )
Will Dockery
2015-09-12 04:00:06 UTC
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Post by matthewerwwin
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
Right...I wasn't in the group at the time.
: )
You didn't miss a whole lot on this one, believe me.

:D
George Dance
2015-09-12 17:23:10 UTC
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Post by matthewerwwin
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]================================================
SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]==================================================
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
Right...I wasn't in the group at the time.
: )
You might have liked it, since it reminds me of your "Plain and Simple Sonnet": it reads like an attempt to get plain speech back into the sonnet form.

But I don't know if you'd have commented, either, as "Julius W." didn't even post any of his sonnet attempts onto aapc.
Peter J Ross
2015-09-13 05:02:12 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
But I don't know if you'd have commented, either, as "Julius W."
didn't even post any of his sonnet attempts onto aapc.
Why do you lie all the time, Dunce?

From: "Julius W." <***@virginmedia.com>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Subject: SONNET III : "If we had never met..."
Message-ID: <NPjBn.333563$***@newsfe10.ams2>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:11:42 +0100

From: "Julius W." <***@virginmedia.com>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Subject: SONNET IV : "When you and I were young..."
Message-ID: <nNmBn.35497$***@newsfe19.ams2>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:33:56 +0100
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-13 05:11:00 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George Dance
But I don't know if you'd have commented, either, as "Julius W."
didn't even post any of his sonnet attempts onto aapc.
Why do you lie all the time, Dunce?
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Subject: SONNET III : "If we had never met..."
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:11:42 +0100
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Subject: SONNET IV : "When you and I were young..."
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:33:56 +0100
DOOP! I'm glad George posted the evidence that you're lying.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"You are the childish moron if you think anyone is dumb enough to think
that you harass me for fun." - Ed displays his sense of humor to all.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-12 01:17:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"The point punk, is that abusers like you will soon be removed
completely from the internet and placed in custody for your criminal
activities." - Wollmann fucks up yet another prediction.
Peter J Ross
2015-09-12 01:29:08 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:57 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
Well, you heard my version. You also heard the Dreckery/Dunce version.
Either I'm a liar or they are. On past form (according to which, I've
told the truth and provided evidence hundreds of times, while they've
lied and whined thousands of times), you may be able to make your own
mind up.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-12 03:17:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:57 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]
==============================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
Well, you heard my version. You also heard the Dreckery/Dunce version.
Either I'm a liar or they are. On past form (according to which, I've
told the truth and provided evidence hundreds of times, while they've
lied and whined thousands of times), you may be able to make your own
mind up.
Why would little willie douchebag lie? He always stands up for his
version of events except when he runs away frm them.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"That's all you losers post." - Ed, the kind, caring counselor.
Peter J Ross
2015-09-13 04:59:26 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 03:17:58 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:57 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]
==============================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
Well, you heard my version. You also heard the Dreckery/Dunce version.
Either I'm a liar or they are. On past form (according to which, I've
told the truth and provided evidence hundreds of times, while they've
lied and whined thousands of times), you may be able to make your own
mind up.
Why would little willie douchebag lie? He always stands up for his
version of events except when he runs away frm them.
lwd was so impressed by the "poems" Julius posted in RAP that he
invited him to join the "real poets" in AAPC.

Message-ID: <6085b6b3-d246-4b67-ba9c-***@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-13 05:10:03 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 03:17:58 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:57 +0000
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-4, Cujo
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]
==============================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]
================================================
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
Well, you heard my version. You also heard the Dreckery/Dunce
version. Either I'm a liar or they are. On past form (according to
which, I've told the truth and provided evidence hundreds of times,
while they've lied and whined thousands of times), you may be able
to make your own mind up.
Why would little willie douchebag lie? He always stands up for his
version of events except when he runs away frm them.
lwd was so impressed by the "poems" Julius posted in RAP that he
invited him to join the "real poets" in AAPC.
Poor lwd must have felt sooooo stupid! Oh, wait a second. That's his
normal state.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"PhDs in psychology (and other fields as well) see me as insightful,
intellectual, sharp, clear, profound, pragmatic and very useful and
constructive. Spinics see me as a "kook. Who shall we believe?" -
Ed on a post-Xmas meltdown.
George Dance
2015-09-12 17:26:35 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"The point punk, is that abusers like you will soon be removed
completely from the internet and placed in custody for your criminal
activities." - Wollmann fucks up yet another prediction.
George Dance
2015-09-12 18:26:42 UTC
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Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
It's not really a good idea to believe something just because you "heard" it on usenet. But you have a choice: Either believe what you "heard" simply because you "heard" it on usenet; or look at the facts for yourself.

To help you out, here's the message ID (which I notice Piggy was careful to not post) for the above sonnet attempt.
Message-ID: <UU3yn.419673$***@newsfe11.ams2>
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2015-09-12 18:56:14 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 7:49:17 PM UTC-4, Cujo
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]===========================================
=== == SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]=============================================
=== ==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
It's not really a good idea to believe something just because you
"heard" it on usenet. But you have a choice: Either believe what you
"heard" simply because you "heard" it on usenet; or look at the facts
for yourself.
To help you out, here's the message ID (which I notice Piggy was
I don't believe this is about responses to the original article(s) but
responses overall to the troll. Are you claiming nobody responded or was
taken in by the troll at all?

I was taking a bit of license with the word "heard". Just so the
obsessive freaks[1] here are clear, I've never spoken to PJR in p[erson
or over a telephone.

[1] Hiya, lwd!
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Take some vitamins, get some excercise [sic], and try to build up
your perceptions, critical thinking and powers of observation. Then
come back and play with us big boys." - Ed on a delusional power trip.
Will Dockery
2015-09-12 22:20:05 UTC
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Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
It's not really a good idea to believe something just because you "heard" it on usenet. But you have a choice: Either believe what you "heard" simply because you "heard" it on usenet; or look at the facts for yourself.
To help you out, here's the message ID (which I notice Piggy was careful to not post) for the above sonnet attempt.
I see that Sonnet #3 from Julius W, did get one very serious response, from none other than Gwyneth Box:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ

=============================================================

(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)

On 26/04/10 19:11, Julius W. wrote:
Hi Julius,
Please bear with me as I rehash your post.
I hope I don't lose the "he said / she said"
indications.
Post by George Dance
SONNET III : "If we had never met..."
(snipped to be restored lower down the post)
Post by George Dance
Written by Julius W.
Shared with alt.arts.poems on 26th April, 2010.
I have been advised to share my poems here, not in rec.arts.poems.
I think you were advised that "most of the
real poets of Usenet" were to be found on aapc.
This is only an opinion, and must surely depend
on the definition of "real poet". (And who is
doing the defining.)

There is no reason why you shouldn't post the same
poem to both groups (either separately or as a
cross-post, though you'll find some of us prefer
to answer specifically on one group or the other.)
Many of us read both groups and have our own
reasons for posting via rap or aapc depending on
things as logical as who we're replying to and the
type of reply we're giving, or as illogical as the
phase of the moon and whether there's an 'r' in
the month.
Post by George Dance
I
hope this was good advice, but perhaps there are too many voices raised
in indignant abuse for the quiet, calm voice of poesy to be heard.
What the dickens is the "quiet, calm voice of poesy"?!
I'm afraid that if you think poetry is - or should
be - "quiet and calm" we won't be seeing eye to eye.

For the moment, some quick comments on your
Sonnet III (I have read the other pieces you've
posted, or at least skimmed them, and some of what
I say here can be applied to the other pieces, too.)

(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)

Read more at:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ

===========================================================

And... so it went.
George Dance
2015-09-12 22:45:18 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by George Dance
Post by Cujo DeSockpuppet
Post by Peter J Ross
===[begin_quoted_text]==============================================
== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
===[end_quoted_text]================================================
==
They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
It's not really a good idea to believe something just because you "heard" it on usenet. But you have a choice: Either believe what you "heard" simply because you "heard" it on usenet; or look at the facts for yourself.
To help you out, here's the message ID (which I notice Piggy was careful to not post) for the above sonnet attempt.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ
I read that with interest, as it's an interesting piece of the puzzle: One would expect that, if "Julius W." were an elaborate scheme by Piggy to troll me into requesting a poem for /April/ magazine, that he'd have let the rest of his gang in on the secret, not to embarrass them. Yet, judging by Gwyneth's conclusions, that doesn't appear to be the case:

<quote>
The sonnet is technically correct, I think.
The words make some kind of sense and convey
an idea/story etc. However, with everything
you've posted so far, I feel it's a sort of
'poetry by numbers' - I don't feel personally
moved by it. It's correct but clinical.[...]

(My first reaction
to your pieces was that they were skilled, but
closer inspection showed me that they are, at
least for me, unsatisfying.)
</quote>
Post by Will Dockery
=============================================================
(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)
Hi Julius,
Please bear with me as I rehash your post.
I hope I don't lose the "he said / she said"
indications.
Post by George Dance
SONNET III : "If we had never met..."
(snipped to be restored lower down the post)
Post by George Dance
Written by Julius W.
Shared with alt.arts.poems on 26th April, 2010.
I have been advised to share my poems here, not in rec.arts.poems.
I think you were advised that "most of the
real poets of Usenet" were to be found on aapc.
This is only an opinion, and must surely depend
on the definition of "real poet". (And who is
doing the defining.)
There is no reason why you shouldn't post the same
poem to both groups (either separately or as a
cross-post, though you'll find some of us prefer
to answer specifically on one group or the other.)
Many of us read both groups and have our own
reasons for posting via rap or aapc depending on
things as logical as who we're replying to and the
type of reply we're giving, or as illogical as the
phase of the moon and whether there's an 'r' in
the month.
Post by George Dance
I
hope this was good advice, but perhaps there are too many voices raised
in indignant abuse for the quiet, calm voice of poesy to be heard.
What the dickens is the "quiet, calm voice of poesy"?!
I'm afraid that if you think poetry is - or should
be - "quiet and calm" we won't be seeing eye to eye.
For the moment, some quick comments on your
Sonnet III (I have read the other pieces you've
posted, or at least skimmed them, and some of what
I say here can be applied to the other pieces, too.)
(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ
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And... so it went.
Will Dockery
2015-09-12 22:53:52 UTC
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Post by George Dance
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Post by Peter J Ross
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== SONNET I : "If you were in my head..."
If you were in my head, and looked out through
my eyes, a little short of sight but shrewd,
after initial focus problems, you'd
see in surprise nothing you thought you knew.
The rosebud isn't stroked by rosy dawn,
but strangled by a net of aphid spit;
the wise old owls don't hoot, "to-whoo, to-whit",
but hobble silent, wingless, hunter-thrawn.
Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between,
and through a pair of eyes some one might see
that nothing's stroked or strangled; but not we,
whose eyes see nothing that the other's seen.
One thing you'd see more perfect than you'd guess;
but that you'd see it makes me love you less.
Written by Julius W.
Posted to rec.arts.poems on Friday, 16th April 2010.
Hello! Be gentle, please, but be honest.
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They liked *that*?
No, no one "liked" that, Kevin. No one even bothered to commment on it.
That's not quite the way I heard it.
It's not really a good idea to believe something just because you "heard" it on usenet. But you have a choice: Either believe what you "heard" simply because you "heard" it on usenet; or look at the facts for yourself.
To help you out, here's the message ID (which I notice Piggy was careful to not post) for the above sonnet attempt.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ
<quote>
The sonnet is technically correct, I think.
The words make some kind of sense and convey
an idea/story etc. However, with everything
you've posted so far, I feel it's a sort of
'poetry by numbers' - I don't feel personally
moved by it. It's correct but clinical.[...]
(My first reaction
to your pieces was that they were skilled, but
closer inspection showed me that they are, at
least for me, unsatisfying.)
</quote>
Post by Will Dockery
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(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)
Hi Julius,
Please bear with me as I rehash your post.
I hope I don't lose the "he said / she said"
indications.
Post by George Dance
SONNET III : "If we had never met..."
(snipped to be restored lower down the post)
Post by George Dance
Written by Julius W.
Shared with alt.arts.poems on 26th April, 2010.
I have been advised to share my poems here, not in rec.arts.poems.
I think you were advised that "most of the
real poets of Usenet" were to be found on aapc.
This is only an opinion, and must surely depend
on the definition of "real poet". (And who is
doing the defining.)
There is no reason why you shouldn't post the same
poem to both groups (either separately or as a
cross-post, though you'll find some of us prefer
to answer specifically on one group or the other.)
Many of us read both groups and have our own
reasons for posting via rap or aapc depending on
things as logical as who we're replying to and the
type of reply we're giving, or as illogical as the
phase of the moon and whether there's an 'r' in
the month.
Post by George Dance
I
hope this was good advice, but perhaps there are too many voices raised
in indignant abuse for the quiet, calm voice of poesy to be heard.
What the dickens is the "quiet, calm voice of poesy"?!
I'm afraid that if you think poetry is - or should
be - "quiet and calm" we won't be seeing eye to eye.
For the moment, some quick comments on your
Sonnet III (I have read the other pieces you've
posted, or at least skimmed them, and some of what
I say here can be applied to the other pieces, too.)
(Excerpted for information, discussion, historical and other fair use purposes)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/WFK63-Y6X68/Et9j3xRwdcoJ
===========================================================
And... so it went.
Note also that "Julius Wyatt" did post on a.a.p.c. fwiw.

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