Discussion:
what even is this place, consisting of such sad, and bitter people?
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Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-23 18:41:05 UTC
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Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
driveby
2017-12-23 18:52:30 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Don't be fooled, Travis....this is only the year end round massacre...2018 brings the sunshine. We are just cleaning house.

J
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2017-12-23 19:24:38 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the
bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble
insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste
the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and
continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly
through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The
attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth
from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one
blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth.
Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit,
affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
An excellent summary. Plenty of failure, many lifetimes worth, to spare.

Today's word is: Internecine.

Thanks for noticing.
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award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
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"I personally believe that all the ages of people prior
to the Flood of Noah are more correctly perceived when divided be 9 ...
that TIME as we know it only began to "gel" at the point of the flood."
- Georgann, making a mockery of Xtainity again.
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 02:31:37 UTC
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So the idea here is to all go down together? why can't the opposite be true? I'm sure we all have and will continue to have our fair share of shitiness individualy. So this purgatory needn't be modeled after hell. Of course heaven is out of the question too. If I want to be bored to death I'll watch a pineapple plant grow. Any way, this place is ours to model as we like. Why not trend it towards the positive?
driveby
2017-12-24 02:41:50 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
So the idea here is to all go down together? why can't the opposite be true? I'm sure we all have and will continue to have our fair share of shitiness individualy. So this purgatory needn't be modeled after hell. Of course heaven is out of the question too. If I want to be bored to death I'll watch a pineapple plant grow. Any way, this place is ours to model as we like. Why not trend it towards the positive?
Best to just read, post, comment (if you'd like) and watch. The players will soon be known, sides taken...nothing different than a family Thanksgiving dinner
and after thoughts on the ride home.

Purgatory, heaven , hell? It's just a poetry group of individuals..nothing more, nothing less.
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 02:57:11 UTC
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Oh come on you're no fun. Doubtful I'll be doing much side taking but I'll gladly and kindly help people off of their high horses. It can be a rough climb down alone.
driveby
2017-12-24 03:00:53 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Oh come on you're no fun. Doubtful I'll be doing much side taking but I'll gladly and kindly help people off of their high horses. It can be a rough climb down alone.
You'll fit in just fine, remember the climb up can be rough as well....
Will Dockery
2017-12-24 03:28:28 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Oh come on you're no fun. Doubtful I'll be doing much side taking but I'll
gladly and kindly help people off of their high horses. It can be a rough
climb down alone.
Just be yourself, my friend... this place needs some bright light... and
some different colors behinds shadow and pitch black.

:)
Cujo DeSockpuppet
2017-12-24 03:33:27 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
So the idea here is to all go down together?
We? I don't recall including myself.
Post by Travis Mccrackin
why can't the opposite be
true? I'm sure we all have and will continue to have our fair share of
shitiness individualy. So this purgatory needn't be modeled after
hell. Of course heaven is out of the question too. If I want to be
bored to death I'll watch a pineapple plant grow. Any way, this place
is ours to model as we like. Why not trend it towards the positive?
I think that's been tried.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I personally believe that all the ages of people prior
to the Flood of Noah are more correctly perceived when divided be 9 ...
that TIME as we know it only began to "gel" at the point of the flood."
- Georgann, making a mockery of Xtainity again.
Will Dockery
2017-12-23 22:27:18 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Hello, Travis, and welcome...

This place does get a little snarky and whiny at times, but some good poetry can be found in the flotsam and jetsam...

Taking a look at your poems now, and remember that your songs are considered poetry, as well.

Here's a favorite of mine by you:

https://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/28892072

Travis McCrackin
Emili's Song
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 01:48:40 UTC
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Wait, you guys didn't tear me to shreds... haha does that mean I'm in? And Please don't hold back criticism for my sake. I'm here to get better at my craft.
driveby
2017-12-24 01:52:13 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Wait, you guys didn't tear me to shreds... haha does that mean I'm in? And Please don't hold back criticism for my sake. I'm here to get better at my craft.
Being torn apart is being in....welcome to the party
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 02:05:45 UTC
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Okie dokie
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 02:31:12 UTC
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I made an introduction for Travis here, as well, Jim Senetto and Michael Pendragon... reposted.

๐Ÿ˜€
m***@gmail.com
2017-12-25 03:10:40 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
I made an introduction for Travis here, as well, Jim Senetto and Michael Pendragon... reposted.
๐Ÿ˜€
Again, you'd neglected to mention that he was a friend of yours, or that you'd invited him.
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 03:40:21 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
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driveby
2017-12-24 03:47:54 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 04:06:22 UTC
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On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 7:47:55 PM UTC-8, driveby troll wrote...
Post by driveby
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...this is nonsense coming from a vituperative troll who, among others, distorts anything literate, rational writers say. I, for one, look forward to your poetics.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
Will Dockery
2017-12-24 14:29:16 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
I know Stephan Pickering from my first introduction with his series of books on Bob Dylan, in depth and as multi layered as Dylan himself, they're always a fascinating read:

https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/

Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."

That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.

All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.

George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.

That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.

I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto

http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto

You will have a good poem, almost always.

Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.

"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 14:44:53 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/
Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."
That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.
All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.
George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.
That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.
I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto
http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto
You will have a good poem, almost always.
Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.
"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
allegations or no, Ginsberg was one of the best. Good art is good art, regardless of the source.
driveby
2017-12-24 14:55:03 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/
Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."
That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.
All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.
George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.
That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.
I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto
http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto
You will have a good poem, almost always.
Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.
"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
allegations or no, Ginsberg was one of the best. Good art is good art, regardless of the source.
Ginsberg did his best to boycott rules of the road under the guise of 'freedom' of speech considering his NAMBLA support...'Boycott' should also be allowed by those that find him a pedophile...and not worthy of reading.

Different 'strokes' for different folks..
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 15:12:15 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/
Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."
That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.
All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.
George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.
That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.
I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto
http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto
You will have a good poem, almost always.
Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.
"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
allegations or no, Ginsberg was one of the best. Good art is good art, regardless of the source.
Ginsberg did his best to boycott rules of the road under the guise of 'freedom' of speech considering his NAMBLA support...'Boycott' should also be allowed by those that find him a pedophile...and not worthy of reading.
Different 'strokes' for different folks..
hey, read what you will. I won't shove anything down your throat.... pun totally intended
driveby
2017-12-24 15:16:10 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/
Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."
That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.
All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.
George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.
That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.
I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto
http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto
You will have a good poem, almost always.
Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.
"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
allegations or no, Ginsberg was one of the best. Good art is good art, regardless of the source.
Ginsberg did his best to boycott rules of the road under the guise of 'freedom' of speech considering his NAMBLA support...'Boycott' should also be allowed by those that find him a pedophile...and not worthy of reading.
Different 'strokes' for different folks..
hey, read what you will. I won't shove anything down your throat.... pun totally intended
My lips are sealed, brother.
Will Dockery
2017-12-24 15:39:34 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
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and here we go Travis....the man who has disrupted this group since arriving, invited here by Will Dockery...
https://www.bobdylanisis.com/product/bob-dylan-approximately/
Bob Dylan Approximately
" portrait of the Jewish poet in search of God: a Midrash.
Written by Stephen Pickering and published by David McKay Company, New York. Hardback, 204 pages. A blow by blow account of a Bob Dylanโ€™s 1974 concert tour.."
That's a good starting point on who and what is Stephan Pickering
Post by driveby
according to him, we are all anti Semites, Nazi's, pedophiles
All this huge flame war originally originally came out of a discussion of Allen Ginsberg, and accusations of pedophilia of that poet. The only known evidence, the earliest age Ginsberg seems to have had a love affair with a 17-18 year old male... with age of consent in many areas of the USA being 16-17. The flames grew from there, to both sides accusing the others of actually being pedophiles.
All this just got way too over the top for me so I stepped back, after stating my stance, which is as a father and grandfather, I do not agree with or would vote for lowering the age of consent in the United States any lower than it already is. Parents off children have too many problems as it is without their underage kids being able to legally have sex with whoever. Kids will "play" ad experiment among themselves, as kids will do, but laws need to stay in place to keep adult predators off limits for consideration.
George Dance actually names the age of 21 as the age of consent he would prefer and vote for, much like the drinking age here in the USA.
That's the basics, it gets wilder and more inflammatory from there, and that's where I back off from fighting for either side at this point.
I am here... for the poetry.
Post by driveby
...in his view...you have walked into a bee's nest...tread lightly, read with an open mind as witness the mess.
Indeed, and if you see a poem posted by "drive-by" aka Jim Senetto
http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Senetto
You will have a good poem, almost always.
Avoid all that "pedophile flaming", I usually just skip all that, as no side in the matter seems able to try to calmly figure out what is what, and I an in that uncomfortable position f having friends on both sides, bit much fun when things look like World War Three of Usenet Flaming sometimes.
"And so it goes." -Kurt Vonnegut
allegations or no, Ginsberg was one of the best. Good art is good art, regardless of the source.
Exactly...

All this "Great Flame War of 2017' may have actually begun when Stephan Pickering posted something about Ginsberg and his poetry, someone, probably Michael Pendragon mentioned Ginsberg was a "child molester", and the explosions began.

That's why I say I /try/ to stick to the poetry here, and avoid the politics.

And, the first rule of poetry, in my opinion, comes from poet Karla Rogers:

"Try not to mistake the speaker in the poem with the writer of the poem."
-Karla Rogers

That's the very basics, of course the situation with all this is much more complicated.
driveby
2017-12-24 17:09:13 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
That's why I say I /try/ to stick to the poetry here, and avoid the politics.
Did you just post this?

'Repost for Travis, one of the Allen Ginsberg threads.'
Stick with one or the other, Will
Coco DeSockmonkey
2017-12-24 04:02:17 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard'), with two other faces ('Coco' and 'george'), who is NOT a Yehu'di (he prefers the colonialist Greek 'Jew'). George Dance and Will Dockery are genuine poets...they can walk with you. yashar koach / may it be with strength, Travis.
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You're nothing but a pretentious twit. Begone!
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 04:07:28 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard')
is it really as serious as all that? And how about I make my own decisions about what i'm encountering? As I have seen nothing so bad as all that. if it does exist then it is obviously intended to offend. Its called trolling. And i am willing to bet that you "feed" him every time, like you did above. Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.
driveby
2017-12-24 04:14:02 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard')
is it really as serious as all that? And how about I make my own decisions about what i'm encountering? As I have seen nothing so bad as all that. if it does exist then it is obviously intended to offend. Its called trolling. And i am willing to bet that you "feed" him every time, like you did above. Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.
'Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.'

You are mixing up the players here....but you'll see.
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 04:19:06 UTC
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On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 8:14:03 PM UTC-8, driveby troll...
Post by driveby
'Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.'
You are mixing up the players here....but you'll see.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...I often do not get riled by driveby & co. Their chronic ignorance, I confess, is irritating ('Michael PaedoLizard' is a noticable offender), because it reveals they don't take the time to study the literatures.



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Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
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driveby
2017-12-24 04:23:20 UTC
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On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 8:14:03 PM UTC-8, driveby troll...
Post by driveby
'Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.'
You are mixing up the players here....but you'll see.
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...I often do not get riled by driveby & co. Their chronic ignorance, I confess, is irritating ('Michael PaedoLizard' is a noticable offender), because it reveals they don't take the time to study the literatures.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
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Hey here's some literature for you, fuck off...I'm not here for religious knowledge.....write poetry or leave...your own preferred.
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 04:36:15 UTC
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Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard')
is it really as serious as all that? And how about I make my own decisions about what i'm encountering? As I have seen nothing so bad as all that. if it does exist then it is obviously intended to offend. Its called trolling. And i am willing to bet that you "feed" him every time, like you did above. Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.
'Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.'
You are mixing up the players here....but you'll see.
no i wasnt talking about you, that was just bad timing.
driveby
2017-12-24 04:38:44 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by s***@gmail.com
Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard')
is it really as serious as all that? And how about I make my own decisions about what i'm encountering? As I have seen nothing so bad as all that. if it does exist then it is obviously intended to offend. Its called trolling. And i am willing to bet that you "feed" him every time, like you did above. Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.
'Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.'
You are mixing up the players here....but you'll see.
no i wasnt talking about you, that was just bad timing.
Understood....I support Michael in the battle...was my meaning...all good
Coco DeSockmonkey
2017-12-24 04:28:09 UTC
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Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...actually, what you are encountering is rampant antisemitism, racialism, misogyny, paedophilia from one individual ('Michael PaedoLizard')
is it really as serious as all that? And how about I make my own decisions about what i'm encountering? As I have seen nothing so bad as all that. if it does exist then it is obviously intended to offend. Its called trolling. And i am willing to bet that you "feed" him every time, like you did above. Stop letting him rile you and he'll get bored.
The following words are those of Stephan Pickering -- every last one of them:

[START QUOTE]

I support NAMBLA's right to free speech; I support NAMBLA's members the right to be gay; I do not agree that, while feasible, sexuality between 'men' and 'boys' is necessarily conducive to viable relationships. It is in this area that I have longed believed caution is in order. Our culture already attempts to repress gay sexualities on several levels, arising from the equally relentless effort to repress womanists. I have never met a 'predator' who was a NAMBLA member, nor was it my position, as a talmid torah, to ask if an individual was. And, it is not my personal 'mession' to place myself as a Yehu'di in a false position of thinking I can offer 'advice' to a NAMBLA member about what is 'normal'.

Your ideas about NAMBLA are not shared by me, because you are actually exhibiting a fear of the GLBT communities.

Your # 5, from your facile list, is your karma, not mine. Just who do you propose will institute, explain, and abjudicate 'restrictions'? Are you stable enough to decide, within yourself, that you would be rational enough to be the Inquisitor Judge? Just what, in your rationality, is the 'age of consent'? Do natz'rim determine what Yehu'dim should believe re: sexuality? My grandmother was 14, my grandfather older -- was this paedophilia? And, please, don't introduce any antisemitic mantras about 'old world' paedophiles.

Your hypothesis that I discern a similarity between 'Victorian' 'morality codes', and the nationalsozialisten, is, in fact, quite valid. I do not believe an 'age of consent' is rational, nor is there any biological evidence to buttress a social construct. Your statement that I doggedly adhere to the idea 'that adults should decide which children are mature enough to enter into a sexual relationship with on a case by case basis' is inaccurate.

[END QUOTE]

Compare the above to the following passage from Wikipedia regarding NAMBLA:

[START QUOTE]

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors[2][3] and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.[2][4]

[END QUOTE]
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 04:37:31 UTC
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On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 8:28:10 PM UTC-8, Coco DeSockTroll wrote:

Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...do not allow this troll (who is 'Michael PaedoLizard' and 'george') bullshit his way into your attention. George Dance, the poet-publisher, is quite familiar with the Paedo/Coco mantras, and their efforts to deflect from the fact they stalk little girls by attacking the GLBT communities. I have never had a gay experience, I am not gay (my older daughter is bi/sexual), but I thoroughly support the constitutional right of NAMBLA to exercise their freedom-of-speech. PaedoLizard/Coco will say anything, and, if you ask him, George Dance will offer links to his thorough refutations of PaedoLizard/Coco's numerous, numerous lies. yashar koach / may it be with strength.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
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Coco DeSockmonkey
2017-12-24 04:41:23 UTC
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Shalom & Erev tov, Travis...do not allow this troll (who is 'Michael PaedoLizard' and 'george') bullshit his way into your attention. George Dance, the poet-publisher, is quite familiar with the Paedo/Coco mantras, and their efforts to deflect from the fact they stalk little girls by attacking the GLBT communities. I have never had a gay experience, I am not gay (my older daughter is bi/sexual), but I thoroughly support the constitutional right of NAMBLA to exercise their freedom-of-speech. PaedoLizard/Coco will say anything, and, if you ask him, George Dance will offer links to his thorough refutations of PaedoLizard/Coco's numerous, numerous lies. yashar koach / may it be with strength.
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The following words are those of Stephan Pickering -- every last one of them:

[START QUOTE]

I support NAMBLA's right to free speech; I support NAMBLA's members the right to be gay; I do not agree that, while feasible, sexuality between 'men' and 'boys' is necessarily conducive to viable relationships. It is in this area that I have longed believed caution is in order. Our culture already attempts to repress gay sexualities on several levels, arising from the equally relentless effort to repress womanists. I have never met a 'predator' who was a NAMBLA member, nor was it my position, as a talmid torah, to ask if an individual was. And, it is not my personal 'mession' to place myself as a Yehu'di in a false position of thinking I can offer 'advice' to a NAMBLA member about what is 'normal'.

Your ideas about NAMBLA are not shared by me, because you are actually exhibiting a fear of the GLBT communities.

Your # 5, from your facile list, is your karma, not mine. Just who do you propose will institute, explain, and abjudicate 'restrictions'? Are you stable enough to decide, within yourself, that you would be rational enough to be the Inquisitor Judge? Just what, in your rationality, is the 'age of consent'? Do natz'rim determine what Yehu'dim should believe re: sexuality? My grandmother was 14, my grandfather older -- was this paedophilia? And, please, don't introduce any antisemitic mantras about 'old world' paedophiles.

Your hypothesis that I discern a similarity between 'Victorian' 'morality codes', and the nationalsozialisten, is, in fact, quite valid. I do not believe an 'age of consent' is rational, nor is there any biological evidence to buttress a social construct. Your statement that I doggedly adhere to the idea 'that adults should decide which children are mature enough to enter into a sexual relationship with on a case by case basis' is inaccurate.

[END QUOTE]

Compare the above to the following passage from Wikipedia regarding NAMBLA:

[START QUOTE]

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors[2][3] and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.[2][4]

[END QUOTE]
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 16:03:15 UTC
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[END QUOTE]
Shalom & Boker tov....the psychotic 'Coco' (who is 'Michael PaedoLizard' and 'george') continues to lie nationalsozialist his way into attention. George Dance, the poet-publisher, is quite familiar with the PaedoCoco mantras, and his efforts to deflect from the fact he stalks little girls by attacking the GLBT communities. I have never had a gay experience, I am not gay (my older daughter is bi/sexual), but I thoroughly support the constitutional right of NAMBLA to exercise their freedom-of-speech. PaedoLizardCoco will say anything. If asked George Dance will offer links to his thorough refutations of PaedoLizard/Coco's numerous, numerous lies. The levels of intellectual bankruptcy of 'Coco', 'driveby' et al., are reflective of 21st century CE mcdonaldisation of 'post-modernist' mantras. yashar koach / may it be with strength.
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Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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Will Dockery
2017-12-24 16:56:33 UTC
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And of course not to forget the comedian trolls with their ribald lampooning of the local poets and other Usenet public figures.

Most recent example just posted, elsewhere.

Try not to giggle.

๐Ÿ˜€
Will Dockery
2017-12-24 17:17:21 UTC
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Yes Travis is an admirer of Allen Ginsberg's poetry, so all of Ginsberg's poetry might get a fair shake here, more than just the political arguments, but poetry.

๐Ÿ˜€
Just Walkin'
2017-12-24 17:44:24 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Sharp words for a valid observation. It gets so bad sometimes you cannot tell who is right and who is wrong, because everyone is covered in slime, the whole idea of the forced engagement, perhaps.

Here are some other words, from a world away, where they call such nonsense that taints the body politic a "roforofo fight."

Roforofo Fight โ€“ Fela Ransome Kuti

Roforofo fight...
From Abeokuta city
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
All don scatter
From Abeokuta city

Get away
Fuck off
Who are you?
Go and die

Fuck away
Get away
Who are you?
Go and shit

You dey craze
I no craze
Fuck away
Who are you, eh?

Na two people dey yab so
Na two people dey yab so
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey

Now listen to me now now

[Chorus]
Huh!

Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh

If you dey among the crowd wey dey look
If you yourself
You yourself dey among the crowd wey dey look
And your friend
Your friend dey among the two wey dey yab

Tell am, tell am, tell am, tell am
Tell am make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because Roforofo dey
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear

By and by
By and by the fight go start
By and by
By and by them go fall for roforofo o

Them face go be roforofo face
Them yansh go be roforofo yansh
Them body go be roforofo body
You no go know
You no go know who your friend be
You no go fit help your friend
Just because roforofo dey

If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your face
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your yansh
You go tell am make him no vex
You don tell am before make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because roforofo dey

Now listen to me now now now now

[Chorus]
Huh!

Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
You no go know your friend from who
You don tell am before
Make him no fight o
Roforofo dey for there

Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh

For the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE9vLc10_o
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-24 18:09:09 UTC
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On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 9:44:26 AM UTC-8, Just Walkin' wrote:

Shalom & Boker tov, chaver...the Talmud consists of 63 tractates, 2.5 million words on 5894 folio pages, first printed in 16th century CE Venice. It has no index, the first index prepared by R. Daniel Retter in 2011 CE. The Talmud has no page 1, opening at page 2...and one steps immediately into centuries of conversation quite literally. The centre of a page is the Hebrew text of the Mishnah, followed by the Aramaic Gamara. It is mental synaesthesia, Chaver, the page clamouring with voices much like Ray Bradbury's library books in Green Town, Illinois of SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES (1962). On the side of all pages, but here we focus on page 2, is Rashi's 11th century CE commentary in a different font than the main text. On the other side are Tosafot by Rashi's grandchildren, followed by references to Rashi in Tosafot. In a quite narrow, fourth, vertically stacked column are commentaries on commentaries of all of the conversational voices. The edges of some pages have marvellous explanatory diagrams, and the margins have referneces to Mikra passages and other writings.

I have always thought of doing the same formatting, using all of 'Bob Dylan''s writings (including TARANTULA).

And my Page 1, Chaver, would be your 'Roforofo Fight โ€“ Fela Ransome Kuti' in English.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 23:35:49 UTC
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Post by Just Walkin'
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Sharp words for a valid observation. It gets so bad sometimes you cannot tell who is right and who is wrong, because everyone is covered in slime, the whole idea of the forced engagement, perhaps.
Here are some other words, from a world away, where they call such nonsense that taints the body politic a "roforofo fight."
Roforofo Fight โ€“ Fela Ransome Kuti
Roforofo fight...
From Abeokuta city
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
All don scatter
From Abeokuta city
Get away
Fuck off
Who are you?
Go and die
Fuck away
Get away
Who are you?
Go and shit
You dey craze
I no craze
Fuck away
Who are you, eh?
Na two people dey yab so
Na two people dey yab so
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh
If you dey among the crowd wey dey look
If you yourself
You yourself dey among the crowd wey dey look
And your friend
Your friend dey among the two wey dey yab
Tell am, tell am, tell am, tell am
Tell am make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because Roforofo dey
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
By and by
By and by the fight go start
By and by
By and by them go fall for roforofo o
Them face go be roforofo face
Them yansh go be roforofo yansh
Them body go be roforofo body
You no go know
You no go know who your friend be
You no go fit help your friend
Just because roforofo dey
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your face
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your yansh
You go tell am make him no vex
You don tell am before make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
You no go know your friend from who
You don tell am before
Make him no fight o
Roforofo dey for there
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE9vLc10_o
sharper than intended.... but I have to admit, I enjoyed writing that piece, and for it having been off the cuff, i'm pretty pleased.
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 01:53:13 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Just Walkin'
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Sharp words for a valid observation. It gets so bad sometimes you cannot tell who is right and who is wrong, because everyone is covered in slime, the whole idea of the forced engagement, perhaps.
Here are some other words, from a world away, where they call such nonsense that taints the body politic a "roforofo fight."
Roforofo Fight โ€“ Fela Ransome Kuti
Roforofo fight...
From Abeokuta city
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
All don scatter
From Abeokuta city
Get away
Fuck off
Who are you?
Go and die
Fuck away
Get away
Who are you?
Go and shit
You dey craze
I no craze
Fuck away
Who are you, eh?
Na two people dey yab so
Na two people dey yab so
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh
If you dey among the crowd wey dey look
If you yourself
You yourself dey among the crowd wey dey look
And your friend
Your friend dey among the two wey dey yab
Tell am, tell am, tell am, tell am
Tell am make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because Roforofo dey
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
By and by
By and by the fight go start
By and by
By and by them go fall for roforofo o
Them face go be roforofo face
Them yansh go be roforofo yansh
Them body go be roforofo body
You no go know
You no go know who your friend be
You no go fit help your friend
Just because roforofo dey
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your face
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your yansh
You go tell am make him no vex
You don tell am before make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
You no go know your friend from who
You don tell am before
Make him no fight o
Roforofo dey for there
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh

sharper than intended.... but I have to admit, I enjoyed writing that piece, and for it having been off the cuff, i'm pretty pleased.
For spontaneous poetry, yes indeed...
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-24 23:36:43 UTC
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Post by Just Walkin'
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Have I stumbled upon a vipers nest ?
Do snakes even bite with such ill intent?
They don't.
Is this then a lion's den?
Are all who enter torn limb from limb?
Uneaten and left to spoil?
Wait.
I think I know what manner of monster inhabits this place. I smell the bitterness of failure here. I hear the viscous stream babble insecurity. The liquid thick. Slimy. Oozing self loathing. I can taste the fetid stench of human waste. Only man would soil his bed and continue to sleep in his own filth by choice. Figures wander aimlessly through the dark here and there a voice. Lifted self importantly. The attempted elegance ruined by the derisive hate speech that spews forth from these mouths. All vying for validation. A hint of Glee as one blindly seeks the higher ground that he believes is his due by birth. Is it worth dying alone? You're still covered in your own shit, affecting airs in a pitch black offal pit.
Sharp words for a valid observation. It gets so bad sometimes you cannot tell who is right and who is wrong, because everyone is covered in slime, the whole idea of the forced engagement, perhaps.
Here are some other words, from a world away, where they call such nonsense that taints the body politic a "roforofo fight."
Roforofo Fight โ€“ Fela Ransome Kuti
Roforofo fight...
From Abeokuta city
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear pata, he tear buba
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She tear trouser, he tear pant
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
She pull the thing commot, he tear the thing
All don scatter
From Abeokuta city
Get away
Fuck off
Who are you?
Go and die
Fuck away
Get away
Who are you?
Go and shit
You dey craze
I no craze
Fuck away
Who are you, eh?
Na two people dey yab so
Na two people dey yab so
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Where them dey yab, roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh
If you dey among the crowd wey dey look
If you yourself
You yourself dey among the crowd wey dey look
And your friend
Your friend dey among the two wey dey yab
Tell am, tell am, tell am, tell am
Tell am make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because Roforofo dey
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
Your friend him don vex
Him don vex patapata, him no go hear
By and by
By and by the fight go start
By and by
By and by them go fall for roforofo o
Them face go be roforofo face
Them yansh go be roforofo yansh
Them body go be roforofo body
You no go know
You no go know who your friend be
You no go fit help your friend
Just because roforofo dey
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your face
If you wan help your friend
Roforofo go rub for your yansh
You go tell am make him no vex
You don tell am before make him no fight o
Make him no fight
Make him no fight because roforofo dey
Now listen to me now now now now
[Chorus]
Huh!
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
Roforofo don change them
Them go look like twins
You no go know who be who
You no go know your friend from who
You don tell am before
Make him no fight o
Roforofo dey for there
Two people dey yab
Crowd dey look
Roforofo dey
Wetin you go see?
Roforofo fight eh
Wetin you go hear?
Roforofo fight eh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE9vLc10_o
oh man! thanks for this.
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 03:24:20 UTC
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Well, "invited" isn't quite the word here.

Travis saw the link, clicked the link, and joined us own his own.

Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-25 03:27:42 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, "invited" isn't quite the word here.
Travis saw the link, clicked the link, and joined us own his own.
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Will...we've been friends nearly 45 years...you don't owe an explanation to Michelangelo PaedoLizard Scarlotti about who you invite to join you here, or why. Unless I am mistaken (and I'm not), there is such a quanta known as freedom-of-speech/freedom-of-association. Personally, I find Travis's word rhythms quite perceptive.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
driveby
2017-12-25 03:30:21 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Will Dockery
Well, "invited" isn't quite the word here.
Travis saw the link, clicked the link, and joined us own his own.
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Will...we've been friends nearly 45 years...you don't owe an explanation to Michelangelo PaedoLizard Scarlotti about who you invite to join you here, or why. Unless I am mistaken (and I'm not), there is such a quanta known as freedom-of-speech/freedom-of-association. Personally, I find Travis's word rhythms quite perceptive.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
Have you ever had dinner with Will, friend for 45 years..or was that just NAMBLA?
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 05:46:01 UTC
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No, but if Stephan Pickering is ever in the area, say Atlanta, would I'd certainly like to have sit down with him, a bagel and a coffee perhaps.

Perhaps take in a Bob Dylan concert first, and a marathon discussion on it, afterwards.

Notes on Kant...

๐Ÿ˜€
m***@gmail.com
2017-12-25 04:03:55 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Will Dockery
Well, "invited" isn't quite the word here.
Travis saw the link, clicked the link, and joined us own his own.
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Will...we've been friends nearly 45 years...you don't owe an explanation to Michelangelo PaedoLizard Scarlotti about who you invite to join you here, or why. Unless I am mistaken (and I'm not), there is such a quanta known as freedom-of-speech/freedom-of-association. Personally, I find Travis's word rhythms quite perceptive.
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The following words are those of Stephan Pickering -- every last one of them:

[START QUOTE]

I support NAMBLA's right to free speech; I support NAMBLA's members the right to be gay; I do not agree that, while feasible, sexuality between 'men' and 'boys' is necessarily conducive to viable relationships. It is in this area that I have longed believed caution is in order. Our culture already attempts to repress gay sexualities on several levels, arising from the equally relentless effort to repress womanists. I have never met a 'predator' who was a NAMBLA member, nor was it my position, as a talmid torah, to ask if an individual was. And, it is not my personal 'mession' to place myself as a Yehu'di in a false position of thinking I can offer 'advice' to a NAMBLA member about what is 'normal'.

Your ideas about NAMBLA are not shared by me, because you are actually exhibiting a fear of the GLBT communities.

Your # 5, from your facile list, is your karma, not mine. Just who do you propose will institute, explain, and abjudicate 'restrictions'? Are you stable enough to decide, within yourself, that you would be rational enough to be the Inquisitor Judge? Just what, in your rationality, is the 'age of consent'? Do natz'rim determine what Yehu'dim should believe re: sexuality? My grandmother was 14, my grandfather older -- was this paedophilia? And, please, don't introduce any antisemitic mantras about 'old world' paedophiles.

Your hypothesis that I discern a similarity between 'Victorian' 'morality codes', and the nationalsozialisten, is, in fact, quite valid. I do not believe an 'age of consent' is rational, nor is there any biological evidence to buttress a social construct. Your statement that I doggedly adhere to the idea 'that adults should decide which children are mature enough to enter into a sexual relationship with on a case by case basis' is inaccurate.

[END QUOTE]

Compare the above to the following passage from Wikipedia regarding NAMBLA:

[START QUOTE]

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors[2][3] and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.[2][4]

[END QUOTE]
driveby
2017-12-25 03:28:27 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, "invited" isn't quite the word here.
Travis saw the link, clicked the link, and joined us own his own.
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody. Gee Will, we're not that stupid..as Pick may believe...
s***@gmail.com
2017-12-25 03:30:34 UTC
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On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 7:28:28 PM UTC-8, driveby said walking into a door...
Gee Will, we're not that stupid..as Pick may believe...

Shalom & Erev tov...but you are, as you continually reaffirm...

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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
driveby
2017-12-25 03:33:29 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 7:28:28 PM UTC-8, driveby said walking into a door...
Gee Will, we're not that stupid..as Pick may believe...
Shalom & Erev tov...but you are, as you continually reaffirm...
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Do you take meds for anything? You are insane, you know.


Do you talk to the dead and do they answer?
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 07:17:18 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.

Again, this is how I did it, your metho may vary if you ever have a friend show up here from real life:

https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin

Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.

Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2017-12-25 07:24:15 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.

I noted that I had missed it as well.

No biggie.

For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.

Dude, it's Christmas. Pour yourself a non-alcoholic egg nog and enjoy:

https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 07:41:29 UTC
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Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
No, I did introduce Travis, right after his first post, in fact:

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http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/JXiKHrU5/deep-blue-sassafras-will-dockery

t***@outlook.com 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message Very sweet
Will Dockery 4 days ago
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Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.

I love your songwriting, as well.

๐Ÿ˜€

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Will Dockery 4 days ago
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Post by t***@outlook.com
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.

Check out some samples of the songwriting of Travis McCrackin:

https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin

About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"

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That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.

:)
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-25 07:52:21 UTC
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Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
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Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting, as well.
๐Ÿ˜€
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
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Post by Will Dockery
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"
๐Ÿ˜€
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That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.
:)
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 08:03:11 UTC
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Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
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http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/JXiKHrU5/deep-blue-sassafras-will-dockery
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message Very sweet
Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting, as well.
๐Ÿ˜€
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Post by Will Dockery
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"
๐Ÿ˜€
------------------------------------------------------------
That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.
:)
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
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With or without the hat?

:)
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-25 08:10:43 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
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http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/JXiKHrU5/deep-blue-sassafras-will-dockery
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message Very sweet
Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting, as well.
๐Ÿ˜€
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Post by Will Dockery
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"
๐Ÿ˜€
------------------------------------------------------------
That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.
:)
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
http://onceuponatimeinawestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Keith-Carradine-as-The-Cowboy-in-McCabe-and-Mrs.-Miller-1971-400.jpg
With or without the hat?
:)
the truth is.... I'm a squirrel
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/101545501808156308175/6503393712913700754?authkey=COHnpsa8hL2LugE
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 08:56:11 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
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http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/JXiKHrU5/deep-blue-sassafras-will-dockery
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message Very sweet
Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting, as well.
๐Ÿ˜€
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Post by Will Dockery
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"
๐Ÿ˜€
------------------------------------------------------------
That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.
:)
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
http://onceuponatimeinawestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Keith-Carradine-as-The-Cowboy-in-McCabe-and-Mrs.-Miller-1971-400.jpg
With or without the hat?
:)
the truth is.... I'm a squirrel
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/101545501808156308175/6503393712913700754?authkey=COHnpsa8hL2LugE
Damn it, man!

You should have met my late friend Rick Howe... or did you?

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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/357684395397723263/

Columbus-Phenix City music scene
Rick Howe poetry chapbook from circa 1986
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Rick was a poet, singer-songwriter and early member of the current local music scene, performing at places like The Loft during 1994-96, the earliest days of their focus on local original music, which they have somewhat strayed from lately...
Travis Mccrackin
2017-12-25 09:00:18 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Travis Mccrackin
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Will Dockery
Post by driveby
Post by Will Dockery
Really though, whether Travis is a friend of mine is irrelevant here.
Did you just back off of your 'introduction' claim? He wasn't introduced by you as a friend from Legends...to anybody.
Sorry, Jim, but I'm capable of making my own introductions without your approval.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
Travis McCrackin
Singer Songwriter / rock/pop folk pop/folk Columbus, Georgia.
Travis, can you believe how silly Jim Senetto can get over such a matter?
Will, Jim initially just seemed surprised that Travis was a friend of your from "Legends," and noted in passing that he hadn't recalled your having introduced him. That's all.
I noted that I had missed it as well.
No biggie.
For some reason, you started bumping all his threads to the top to show us that you ... hadn't really introduced him after all.
https://www.facebook.com/michael.pendragon.31/videos/1542852359095725/
---------------------------------------------------------------
http://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com/JXiKHrU5/deep-blue-sassafras-will-dockery
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message Very sweet
Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting, as well.
๐Ÿ˜€
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Will Dockery 4 days ago
ReplyPermalinkRaw Message
Post by Will Dockery
Very sweet
Thank you, Travis.
I love your songwriting and, even more, your performance, as well.
https://www.reverbnation.com/travismccrackin
About the Artist
"I'm Travis! I enjoy playing and writing music and I figured I might as well put some of it out there, enjoy!"
๐Ÿ˜€
------------------------------------------------------------
That settled, Merry Christmas to you and yours, Pendragon.
:)
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
http://onceuponatimeinawestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Keith-Carradine-as-The-Cowboy-in-McCabe-and-Mrs.-Miller-1971-400.jpg
With or without the hat?
:)
the truth is.... I'm a squirrel
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/101545501808156308175/6503393712913700754?authkey=COHnpsa8hL2LugE
Damn it, man!
You should have met my late friend Rick Howe... or did you?
-----------------------------------------------------------
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/357684395397723263/
Columbus-Phenix City music scene
Rick Howe poetry chapbook from circa 1986
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Rick was a poet, singer-songwriter and early member of the current local music scene, performing at places like The Loft during 1994-96, the earliest days of their focus on local original music, which they have somewhat strayed from lately...
i dont believe i know him
Will Dockery
2017-12-25 09:09:46 UTC
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
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Post by Travis Mccrackin
That was close, you guys almost uncovered my secret identity.
http://onceuponatimeinawestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Keith-Carradine-as-The-Cowboy-in-McCabe-and-Mrs.-Miller-1971-400.jpg
With or without the hat?
:)
the truth is.... I'm a squirrel
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/101545501808156308175/6503393712913700754?authkey=COHnpsa8hL2LugE
Damn it, man!
You should have met my late friend Rick Howe... or did you?
-----------------------------------------------------------
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/357684395397723263/
Columbus-Phenix City music scene
Rick Howe poetry chapbook from circa 1986
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Rick was a poet, singer-songwriter and early member of the current local music scene, performing at places like The Loft during 1994-96, the earliest days of their focus on local original music, which they have somewhat strayed from lately...
i dont believe i know him
He passed away just over a decade ago:

http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Rick_Howe

Rick Howe (died October 20, 2007) was a small press minicomic creator and zinester (best known for his 1990s zine Topical Studies), a folk music singer-songwriter, and an American poet.

He was also known for some well written poetry, art, comix and political criticism:

Will Dockery's New Poems by Rick Howe[3].

To The Magic Store, just released by Will Dockery, is a publication of modest proportions, consisting of a cover illustration followed by seven pages of poetry. At that, there is something aesthetically effective about this simple minibook design. Having issued a series of similar books over the last several years, the author undoubtedly has aquired a certain proficiency with them. It is probably a question, since one is not sure how else to explain it, of /fitting/ or /filling/ - yet not overfilling - a book of this size with an appropriate amount of material, such that one might experience in it a satisfying ampleness, notwithstanding the smallness of its format; at the same time expression must reach completion in the allotted number of pages, and not leave the impression of having been aborted, or that necessary articulations were left out. Judicious resort to ellipsis may indeed be helpful in this regard only providing it does not signify impoverishment. [Which is not the same thing, really.] It is indicative that the book proceeds at what seems, at once, a comfortable, unhurried pace; at the same time it is more than the negligible sort of labor which one might expect in the everyday course of things to have done in fifteen minutes or so.

Style - In style and temperment, William Dockery's poetry is a little like that of John Berryman - cf., The Dreamsongs. A basically sensitive but slightly discombobulated awareness wending its way through hazes of intoxication; the neighborhood milieu. [..when I was staying/ at the boarding house/ across from the park,/ I hated those bells/ and I hated that place./ At the same time I loved it. In essence the theme is search for self. Now, self, in the way in which a poet like William Dockery understands it, is essentially a myth; in other words, a kind of story in which self is revealed and delinated to itself. In fact self cannot appear except through the mediation of external places and people. But the important thing is that these must be interpreted as having transcendental implications which might not be apparent at the level of quotidean experience. So this is what is meant by the poet entering his neighborhood or social milieu in search of self. Myth of origin [how self first learns to recognize itself]; golden age, debacle. These are some of the typical mythic components in life. To keep this on a simple, general level. Of course much subtler comprehensions are also possible. For example, a typical mythification involves a division of life into periods. When I lived on such-and-such street, life had a certain quality; I had these experiences, was aquainted with these people, et cetera. Then I moved somewhere else and it wasn't the same; a period of life came to an end. Thus life may be seen as a succession of /periods/ of greater or shorter duration; each more or less distinguished by objective referents [dates, addresses, names of people], each revealing distinctive mythological demensions as well.

Content - In To The Magic Store the poet is viewing such a period retrospectively. It is a Proustian /rememberance of things past/ in a way; things are remembered together with their psychological associations, producing a sensation of mythological awareness. [It is not necessary to spell it out with elaborate detail. The point is simply to intuit how a set of associated names and images creates the effect of milieu or era.] Viewed retrospectively, there is of course an emphasis on dissolution. People drift away, some die, and eventually the milieu dissolves. The tone of the book is predominantly one of loss and mourning. In one case the poet later revisits one of his main friends - the speed junkie musician Hugo - and finds he'd been burned in a terrible disaster,/ in a wheelchair and speechless. With its emphasis on the downside of the cycle, To The Magic Store corresponds [mythically speaking] with a decline and fall - maybe not of a /golden age/, since more or less there is only one full-blown golden age in a lifetime, but of some lesser epicycle which never the less exhibits analogous phases of flourishing and decline. Curiously enough, there is no magic store explicitly mentioned in this book. Given the preoccupation with loss and mortality, a suitable title might have been To The Cemetery. Indeed, the climactic verses tell of taking a girl to a graveyard - to see the grave of the guy who died./ We sat there in this graveyard park,/ with a six-pack of beer./ he looked fragile/ as she drunkenly cried./ She looked open/ to my sensibility... But then, as the poem concludes: :I can still remember :her laughing at my poetry :didn't feel so good to me :after I'd been up all night :pouring out my feelings. :I thought she was interesting, :she turned out :she was just a little female fool. :Was not able to put all the components :of my life in place... :my mythology was incomplete. But the title might have a different and more Proustian meaning. The mythology of self, unfulfilled in initial experience [where to be sure such mythologies inevitably represent inconclusive aspirations], might be prolonged through acts of memory; where by poetic magic they may be perfected and ternalized - notwithstanding their preliminary frustration in mere circumstances. Perhaps this might shed some light on the mystic quality of a poem like The Ballad of James Collier. A line like I hope some of them are left is perhaps best taken at face value, that is, in its natural sense. Other parts of the poem allude to ghostly reunions - perhaps in some transcendental world where the past continues as a permanent reality - In tiny detail. -Rick Howe, Topical Studies #5, January 1 1993. Used by permission.

"And so it goes..." -Kurt Vonnegut

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