The Beat Vision

[Will Dockery]

While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home two items of distinct poetry value, a David Bowie live CD from 1974 and a paperback called "The Beat Vision"... I Googled the book and found this interesting page about it...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2407714.The_Beat_Vision

The Beat Vision: A Primary Sourcebook
by Arthur Knight (Editor)
Paperback, 292 pages
Published September 1st 1986 by Paragon House Publishers
ISBN 0913729418 (ISBN13: 9780913729410)

"An anthology of letters, poems, personal essays by, and interviews with some of the main members of the Beat Generation, collected by the editors of a small magazine about the Beats called "the unspeakable visions of the individual". There are letters from Jack Kerouac to Neal Cassady and to Allen Ginsberg. There is a letter from William S. Burroughs in which he describes a dream he had. There is some prose from Allen Ginsberg. There are many photographs as well, some showing members of the Beat Generation [...] I particularly like this anthology for its interview with Carl Solomon, a Beat with a Dadaist approach whom I think is overlooked in many discussions on the Beats (many know that Allen Ginsberg dedicated "Howl" to him, but my sense is that few have read his funny works, Mishaps, Perhaps and More Mishaps) [...] the book includes the voices of women (Carolyn Cassady, Diane di Prima and Eileen Kaufman) and of persons of color (Amiri Baraka and Ted Joans)..." -Dan

So my reading of this book will no doubt form the basis for some posts in the coming days and weeks.

And so it goes.

[Hieronymous707]

"While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home"

?

[Will Dockery]

Post by Hieronymous707
"While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home"
?

I could/should have written:

1) Bought, but that "sounded" too crass when I was writing the post.

2) Took to the car, which is "home" in many ways.

3) Both of these.

"While in Atlanta yesterday, I bought and took to the car..."

:D

[Hieronymous707]

I haven't read any books worth mentioning recently.
I have been pouring over a Collective Bargaining
Agreement between a Carpenters Union and a
Tradshow Contractors Association, which is not
particularly interesting reading except as it relates
specifically to me, and my present circumstance.

[Will Dockery]

Post by Hieronymous707
I haven't read any books worth mentioning recently.
I have been pouring over a Collective Bargaining
Agreement between a Carpenters Union and a
Tradshow Contractors Association, which is not
particularly interesting reading except as it relates
specifically to me, and my present circumstance.

Pouring?

:D

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 9 Aug 2015 03:35:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Will Dockery
2) Took to the car, which is "home" in many ways.

Why are you pretending to own and drive a car, Dreckweasel?

You can't afford to own a car.

You're not allowed to drive a car.

All you can do, and all you're allowd to do, is lie, whine, steal and
babble on Usenet.

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 9 Aug 2015 03:35:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Will Dockery
2) Took to the car, which is "home" in many ways.

Why are you pretending to own and drive a car, Dreckweasel?
You can't afford to own a car.
You're not allowed to drive a car.
All you can do, and all you're allowd to do, is lie, whine, steal and
babble on Usenet.

Just wait until the Dreckster starts trying to impress others with the
career and legacy he's created. Oh, wait. <SPLORF>

[Michael Pendragon]

<getafreakin'life,already,Kevin!snip>

[Will Dockery]

Now the bricks lay on Grand Street
Where the neon madmen climb"
"Barry Miles' biography of Ginsberg comes through again.
Yesterday something caught my eye -- Miles says that Ginsberg wrote a
poem about some laborers he observed from the window of his hotel room
in Denver in 1947 (he was in town to visit Neal Cassady). It's called
"The BRICKLAYER'S Lunch Hour," and Ginsberg called it his first
"mature" poem. On-line research reveals that the hotel in question is
located at the corner of 10th Avenue and GRANT STREET in Denver.
I contended just a few days ago that the "neon-madmen-climb" image in
the final stanza of Stuck Inside of Mobile is probably derived from the
famous "Beat-madmen-as-colored-fireworks" image in Jack Kerouac's On
the Road, referring specifically to Ginsberg and Cassady.
So I find it remarkable, to put it mildly, that the *immediately
preceding* line looks like a thinly veiled reference to an important
early poem that Ginsberg composed while visiting Cassady. ("Now the
bricks lay on Grand Street" = "Now the bricklayer's on Grant Street" or
something like that.)
How would Bob have known about this in February 1966? Well, Bob was
hanging out daily with Ginsberg on the west coast just two months
before (December 1965), so they would have had opportunities to talk
about it. Poet to poet, now that Ginsberg ("Shakespeare in the
alley") had been lionized at the International Poetry Convocation in
London (June 1965). (Of course, they had met in 1963, so Ginsberg
could have told Bob the story on a number of earlier occasions.)
Although Ginsberg wrote "The Bricklayer's Lunch Hour" in 1947, he
published it in 1961 as part of his collection "Empty Mirror." Fresh
off the presses when Bob got to NYC that year.
Actually, Bob already knew about Ginsberg and Grant Street from ON THE
ROAD, which was his "bible" in his late teens. A major portion of the
book is devoted to Kerouac's trip to Denver in the summer of 1947 to
meet up with some of his Beat friends, including Allen Ginsberg, who
preceded Kerouac on the pilgrimage to Neal Cassady's hometown.
Ginsberg initially took a room at the Colburn Hotel (corner of 10th
Avenue and Grant Street), where Neal's soon-to-be ex-wife Carolyn
Cassady was living. Neal then conducted simultaneous affairs with
Carolyn, Ginsberg and Louanne Henderson (whom he married after divorce
from Carolyn). This is where Ginsberg claimed he observed the
laborers featured in his poem.
Ginsberg eventually moved to a basement apartment up the street (corner
of 18th avenue and Grant Street). It is in this "underground"
location (as Kerouac calls it) that we find Ginsberg, deeply involved
"Dean [Cassady], who had the tremendous energy of a new kind of
American saint, and Carlo [Ginsberg] were the underground monsters of
that season in Denver, together with the poolhall gang, and,
symbolizing this most beautifully, Carlo had a basement apartment on
GRANT STREET and we all met there many a night that went to dawn -
Carlo, Dean, myself, Tom Snark, Ed Dunkel, and Roy Johnson. More of
these others later."
Whether Bob asks Ginsberg, or Ginsberg volunteered it, I think it's
clear that Ginsberg gave Bob the "inside story" on this famous episode
from Bob's former "bible," which would have included an account of the
composition of Ginsberg's first "mature" poem and the Grant Street
connection. (Ginsberg got the story into his biography, so he must
have liked to tell it. I don't find it completely credible, but
that's irrelevant for now.)
If you're interested in "The Bricklayer's Lunch Hour," it's the
*second* poem in Ginsberg's "Collected Poems 1947-1980," available at
better bookstores. It refers twice to its setting, a "street in
Denver."
So I can't wait to visit Emma and saunter up to 10th and Grant Street and > look out for the Colburn Hotel, now a low income housing establishment, and
think of Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Neal Cassady, and Bob Dylan.

This is a beauty... the Beat influence is heavy... all the way to this new Sinatra fixation.

I was just reading a David Bowie biography, by the way, and Bowie was really hot to play Sinatra in a movie... Frank just brushed it off saying no way an "English Fag" could play him.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:46:41 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Will Dockery
I was just reading

Why do you lie all the time, Dreckweasel?

[Will Dockery]

Gary Frankfurth definitely filled the shoes of a latter day Beat, parts Bukowski, Tom Waits and Picasso, he had his hands in all the arts.

http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/video/12943736 Television interviews with local artists, directed by Rusty Wood.

Check out "Interview with Gary Frankfurth" by Will Dockery for Kathryn Hansen.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:25:11 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Will Dockery
Gary Frankfurth definitely filled the shoes of a latter day Beat,

Did the latter day Beat report the theft?

Post by Will Dockery
parts Bukowski, Tom Waits and Picasso,

Of course, he had to steal several people's shoes before finding a
pair to fit.

Post by Will Dockery
he had his hands in all the arts.

And in all the car windows!

<https://opencourtrecords.org/MI/13th-District-Criminal-Court/1989-5434-FH>

<spamsnip>

[General Zod]

Post by Will Dockery
Gary Frankfurth definitely filled the shoes of a latter day Beat, parts Bukowski, Tom Waits and Picasso, he had his hands in all the arts.
http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/video/12943736 Television interviews with local artists, directed by Rusty Wood.
Check out "Interview with Gary Frankfurth" by Will Dockery for Kathryn Hansen.

Interesting.............

[Will Dockery]

Post by Hieronymous707
"While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home"
?

I do consider Atlanta part of my "home area", now that you mention it.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 9 Aug 2015 00:20:08 -0700 (PDT),

Post by Will Dockery
While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home two items

Shoplifting again, Dreckster?

[General Zod]

Post by Will Dockery
While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home two items of distinct poetry value, a David Bowie live CD from 1974 and a paperback called "The Beat Vision"... I Googled the book and found this interesting page about it...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2407714.The_Beat_Vision
The Beat Vision: A Primary Sourcebook
by Arthur Knight (Editor)
Paperback, 292 pages
Published September 1st 1986 by Paragon House Publishers
ISBN 0913729418 (ISBN13: 9780913729410)
"An anthology of letters, poems, personal essays by, and interviews with some of the main members of the Beat Generation, collected by the editors of a small magazine about the Beats called "the unspeakable visions of the individual". There are letters from Jack Kerouac to Neal Cassady and to Allen Ginsberg. There is a letter from William S. Burroughs in which he describes a dream he had. There is some prose from Allen Ginsberg. There are many photographs as well, some showing members of the Beat Generation [...] I particularly like this anthology for its interview with Carl Solomon, a Beat with a Dadaist approach whom I think is overlooked in many discussions on the Beats (many know that Allen Ginsberg dedicated "Howl" to him, but my sense is that few have read his funny works, Mishaps, Perhaps and More Mishaps) [...] the book includes the voices of women (Carolyn Cassady, Diane di Prima and Eileen Kaufman) and of persons of color (Amiri Baraka and Ted Joans)..." -Dan
So my reading of this book will no doubt form the basis for some posts in the coming days and weeks.
And so it goes.

Marvelous volume apparently........

[Will Dockery™]

Yes, a valuable resource.

[x***@gmail.com]

Post by Will Dockery
And so it goes.

I don’t deal with the new generation of hipster bebop junkies. Strictly with old timers.

• thin sallow faces

• bitter twisted mouths

• stiff-fingered, stylized gestures

[General Zod]

Post by x***@gmail.com

Post by Will Dockery
And so it goes.

I don’t deal with the new generation of hipster bebop junkies. Strictly with old timers.
• thin sallow faces
• bitter twisted mouths
• stiff-fingered, stylized gestures

Interesting............

[Will-Dockery]

Post by Hieronymous707
"While in Atlanta yesterday I brought home

Thanks for the correction




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