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Net Gain / c&c / PJR
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Peter J Ross
2018-06-21 21:15:13 UTC
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Net Gain
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Tomorrow or the next day I intend
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
carefully following the included diagrams.
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.


PJR, 2018-06-21


N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Michael Pendragon
2018-06-22 00:00:18 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gain
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Tomorrow or the next day I intend
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
carefully following the included diagrams.
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Middle age Gothboi wannabe.
h***@gmail.com
2018-06-22 09:03:17 UTC
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Phillip May
Gwyneth
2018-06-26 18:58:16 UTC
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On 21/06/2018 22:15, Peter J Ross wrote:

Hi Peter,

Despite the fact you didn't tell me you had posted a poem, I continue to
lurk, so I saw it.

So, if I can remember how this newsreader works, I'll provide some c&c.
Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gain
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I thought I liked the title, but the longer I think about it, the less
convinced I am.
Post by Peter J Ross
Tomorrow or the next day I intend
The opening IP is appealing.
Post by Peter J Ross
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
The metre here is less appealing, perhaps because it's less marked; but
mostly, I thnk, because of the feminine ending.

I'm trying to envisage a house with two bay windows.
Very wide frontage? Upstairs and down?
Won't the narrator plan ahead and know which room is to be used?

And now I've gone on to read the rest and thought about it, does he
really need six hooks for each bay? I think four is enough. Or possible
five if the front side/pane is long enough that the curtain needs a
support in the middle.
Post by Peter J Ross
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
We're back to IP and it works well.
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully following the included diagrams.
But I don't like what happens to the metre here.

Included where? I'm pretty sure curtain wire doesn't come with
instructions, even if you buy it in a plastic pack.
Post by Peter J Ross
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
I like the fact that it's three times - I checked online and found that:
"The standard fullness is 2 x your width measurement, but if you want
additional privacy you can go for 2.5 or even 3 times fullness." and I
think the narrator would want that additional privacy.
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
I'm beginning to think the narrator's curtain method is all arsy-versy.
You cut the curtains to width, thread them on the wire, screw the eyes
into the ends of the wire and then stretch the wire from hook to hook.
Or maybe fix the wire at one end to make sure the curtain doesn't just
slide right off and then thread the curtain and fix the second end. But
you'd never put the wires up before hanging the nets.

And if you want that extra privacy, you'd probably only have two long
wires (one for each window), which you'd connect at the two extremes and
simply catch back at the two points of the bay. That way, there wouldn't
be any possible gaps except at the ends. Yes, this method might snag the
lace, but that would depend on the fabric weave.

I also don't like "pleat" as it's more ruching than pleating.
Post by Peter J Ross
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
I remember the "netpeek neighbours" of yesteryear.

It has to be "can't see" to make that line break work so well, but I'm
assuming that the skull won't be bashed in until after the curtain
hanging, so I'm not sure it works with the next line.
Post by Peter J Ross
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
I think the feminine ending is right for the end, although I don't much
like it: it's a suitably unsatisfying effect.
Post by Peter J Ross
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Thanks for the reassurance. I might have worried otherwise. /s


I liked this a lot the first time I read it. (You know I like your
deadpan psychopathic narrators.) I liked it the second time, too.
Then I started to read it closely for c&c and it seemed to fall apart.

Thank you for posting!

g.
Richard Oakley
2018-06-26 20:48:01 UTC
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Post by Gwyneth
Hi Peter,
Despite the fact you didn't tell me you had posted a poem, I continue to
lurk, so I saw it.
So, if I can remember how this newsreader works, I'll provide some c&c.
Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gain
--------
I thought I liked the title, but the longer I think about it, the less
convinced I am.
No, his title is in-line with his
typically dull and pretentious work.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
Tomorrow or the next day I intend
The opening IP is appealing.
How's that IP? I can't begin
to force that metre on Petre
here.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
The metre here is less appealing, perhaps because it's less marked; but
mostly, I thnk, because of the feminine ending.
I agree, and I don't to a degree:
WIN-doh? No, to me those syllables
are more similar than not.

It's not a very good word for metred
verse in that way.
Post by Gwyneth
I'm trying to envisage a house with two bay windows.
He is lazy and has his own souz chef,
he obviously can afford a wide frontage
like that...
Post by Gwyneth
Very wide frontage? Upstairs and down?
He being the typical white, white male,
I'd say it's all Up.
Post by Gwyneth
Won't the narrator plan ahead and know which room is to be used?
. . .
Post by Gwyneth
And now I've gone on to read the rest and thought about it, does he
really need six hooks for each bay? I think four is enough. Or possible
five if the front side/pane is long enough that the curtain needs a
support in the middle.
I've found my own ideal
In a place that's real,
Within my head
I am instead
And step in no big deal.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
We're back to IP and it works well.
How so? Still forcing metre?
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully following the included diagrams.
But I don't like what happens to the metre here.
Petre isn't following the tick of any
metre.
Post by Gwyneth
Included where? I'm pretty sure curtain wire doesn't come with
instructions, even if you buy it in a plastic pack.
In what sense did you expect any?
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
"The standard fullness is 2 x your width measurement, but if you want
additional privacy you can go for 2.5 or even 3 times fullness." and I
think the narrator would want that additional privacy.
Psychopaths are a careful lot.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
I'm beginning to think the narrator's curtain method is all arsy-versy.
Duh, u thunk so...?
Post by Gwyneth
You cut the curtains to width, thread them on the wire, screw the eyes
into the ends of the wire and then stretch the wire from hook to hook.
Or maybe fix the wire at one end to make sure the curtain doesn't just
slide right off and then thread the curtain and fix the second end. But
you'd never put the wires up before hanging the nets.
Oh, give him a break! It's his first brutal
murder, I'm sure with practice he'll do
much better!

It's not his first foray into brutally
keeping in English... oh....
Post by Gwyneth
And if you want that extra privacy, you'd probably only have two long
wires (one for each window), which you'd connect at the two extremes and
simply catch back at the two points of the bay. That way, there wouldn't
be any possible gaps except at the ends. Yes, this method might snag the
lace, but that would depend on the fabric weave.
I also don't like "pleat" as it's more ruching than pleating.
Post by Peter J Ross
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
I remember the "netpeek neighbours" of yesteryear.
It has to be "can't see" to make that line break work so well, but I'm
assuming that the skull won't be bashed in until after the curtain
hanging, so I'm not sure it works with the next line.
Post by Peter J Ross
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
I think the feminine ending is right for the end, although I don't much
like it: it's a suitably unsatisfying effect.
Post by Peter J Ross
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Thanks for the reassurance. I might have worried otherwise. /s
I liked this a lot the first time I read it. (You know I like your
deadpan psychopathic narrators.) I liked it the second time, too.
Then I started to read it closely for c&c and it seemed to fall apart.
Nothing new,
who knew?
Post by Gwyneth
Thank you for posting!
g.
r.
Peter J Ross
2018-06-27 18:01:43 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 26 Jun 2018 19:58:16 +0100,
Post by Gwyneth
Hi Peter,
Hello, Gwyneth!
Post by Gwyneth
Despite the fact you didn't tell me you had posted a poem, I continue to
lurk, so I saw it.
Speaking as your most famous sockpuppet, I concur.
Post by Gwyneth
So, if I can remember how this newsreader works, I'll provide some c&c.
Wait a minute.

<puts on hard hat>

<checks headlamp>

<strangles canary>

I'm ready now.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gain
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I thought I liked the title, but the longer I think about it, the less
convinced I am.
Me too. "Net Profit"? "Net Weight"? But "Net" would suffice.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
Tomorrow or the next day I intend
The opening IP is appealing.
Good. It's meant to be.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
The metre here is less appealing, perhaps because it's less marked; but
mostly, I thnk, because of the feminine ending.
After such a thumping introduction, I think a little metrical
variation is not so much allowed as required.
Post by Gwyneth
I'm trying to envisage a house with two bay windows.
Very wide frontage? Upstairs and down?
It's just an ordinary double-fronted detached house, of the kind that
were built in their tens of thousands in the 1920s and 1930s.

Or perhaps it's a single-fronted terraced house with bay windows
upstairs and downstairs.

I honestly can't understand how two bay windows can be difficult to
see with the mind's eye.
Post by Gwyneth
Won't the narrator plan ahead and know which room is to be used?
Hmm. What gives the impression that he's the kind of narrator who
might have a plan?
Post by Gwyneth
And now I've gone on to read the rest and thought about it, does he
really need six hooks for each bay? I think four is enough. Or possible
five if the front side/pane is long enough that the curtain needs a
support in the middle.
If he'd had the benefit of your advice, perhaps his life would have
developed differently.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
We're back to IP and it works well.
"Back to IP"? Does a feminine ending convert a line from IP to
something else?
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully following the included diagrams.
But I don't like what happens to the metre here.
I very much do like what happens to the metre here. Some metrical
relaxation is urgently required, and the line scans adequately as IP.
Post by Gwyneth
Included where? I'm pretty sure curtain wire doesn't come with
instructions, even if you buy it in a plastic pack.
Good point, but does it matter?
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
"The standard fullness is 2 x your width measurement, but if you want
additional privacy you can go for 2.5 or even 3 times fullness." and I
think the narrator would want that additional privacy.
Post by Peter J Ross
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
I'm beginning to think the narrator's curtain method is all arsy-versy.
You cut the curtains to width, thread them on the wire, screw the eyes
into the ends of the wire and then stretch the wire from hook to hook.
Or maybe fix the wire at one end to make sure the curtain doesn't just
slide right off and then thread the curtain and fix the second end. But
you'd never put the wires up before hanging the nets.
And if you want that extra privacy, you'd probably only have two long
wires (one for each window), which you'd connect at the two extremes and
simply catch back at the two points of the bay. That way, there wouldn't
be any possible gaps except at the ends. Yes, this method might snag the
lace, but that would depend on the fabric weave.
This is very helpful to me, but my narrator likes you even less than
he likes his wife.
Post by Gwyneth
I also don't like "pleat" as it's more ruching than pleating.
Yes. I had "ruche" in an earlier draft. I can remember thinking I had
a good reason for changing it, but I can't remember what the good
reason was.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
I remember the "netpeek neighbours" of yesteryear.
Alas, they haven't stopped being annoying.
Post by Gwyneth
It has to be "can't see" to make that line break work so well, but I'm
assuming that the skull won't be bashed in until after the curtain
hanging, so I'm not sure it works with the next line.
I don't see the problem. In the context of the whole paragraph, surely
"can't see" is future tense?
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
I think the feminine ending is right for the end, although I don't much
like it: it's a suitably unsatisfying effect.
The end of the last line is mere padding. Next draft, I'll delete the
last three words.
Post by Gwyneth
Post by Peter J Ross
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Thanks for the reassurance. I might have worried otherwise. /s
My strategy of hiding in plain sight is working well!
Post by Gwyneth
I liked this a lot the first time I read it. (You know I like your
deadpan psychopathic narrators.) I liked it the second time, too.
Then I started to read it closely for c&c and it seemed to fall apart.
Thank you for posting!
Thank you for commenting.

The first time, the reader is impressed by the twist in the last line.

The second time, the reader is entertained by the way the twist in
the last line develops from all the earlier lines.

The third time, the text offers the reader nothing new of interest.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
General Zod
2018-06-30 05:52:51 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gain
--------
Tomorrow or the next day I intend
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
carefully following the included diagrams.
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Goo9d poem.....
Peter J Ross
2018-06-30 14:56:09 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT),
<...>
Post by General Zod
Goo9d poem.....
Moron9ic commen9t.....
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
h***@gmail.com
2018-06-30 15:13:46 UTC
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Numb9er Nin9e?
Richard Oakley
2018-07-01 04:29:02 UTC
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Post by h***@gmail.com
Numb9er Nin9e?
It seems a purposeful comment to me:
whoever is posing as George is trying
to copy his type of misprint.
General Zod
2018-07-01 06:43:40 UTC
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Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
Richard Oakley
2018-07-01 14:19:47 UTC
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Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
Exactly but:

zod does not equal george.
ME
2018-07-01 15:09:58 UTC
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Oh no Richard. That can’t be true. You know none of them would ever do something like that.
Will Dockery
2018-07-01 15:46:56 UTC
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Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.

Speaking of, I came across some vintage Zod/George artwork from 1987, which means this was drawn while he was still in the Navy:

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Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-01 16:22:06 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6c/28/af/6c28af3c580c224054b388ef3250e789.jpg
Shalom & Boker tov, Will...Richard Oakley et al. are playing irrelevant games. Zod is contributing because he has words to say, and Zod/George doesn't ask for, need, require the approval of Richard, NaziGene, et al. Zod is an actual word/paint artist.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 17:42:36 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you and
Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate garbage,
give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.

The poaster calling himself "General Zod" seems (like you) to be not
very far away from Atlanta GA, as anybody knows who can not only read
an IP address but also interpret it.
Post by Will Dockery
Speaking of, I came across some vintage Zod/George artwork from

I fixed your link.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-04 17:51:23 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you and
Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate garbage,
give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a train.
ME
2018-07-04 18:07:24 UTC
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I'm I the only one that hasn't pulled up others IP addresses? I don't know why I'd even want to?
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-04 18:25:38 UTC
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Post by ME
I'm I the only one that hasn't pulled up others IP addresses? I don't know why I'd even want to?
No, I also don't bother with that sort of thing. Some people take the whole internet thing way too seriously.
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 18:40:36 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by ME
I'm I the only one that hasn't pulled up others IP addresses? I
don't know why I'd even want to?
No, I also don't bother with that sort of thing. Some people take
the whole internet thing way too seriously.
... says the kook who insisted that his sockpuppets were real people
even though they shared his IP address.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
ME
2018-07-04 18:47:54 UTC
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PJR? Are referring to Michael or ME?
Will Dockery
2018-07-21 20:57:54 UTC
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Post by ME
PJR? Are referring to Michael or ME?
Good question...
Will-Dockery
2024-06-26 23:28:00 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Net Gai
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Tomorrow or the next day I inten
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires
carefully following the included diagrams
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand
proud of my handiwork, outside the hous
to check the spies at Number Nine can't se
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling
PJR, 2018-06-2
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem
The one and only PJR


This is a response to the post seen at
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=659353735#65935373

Will Dockery
2018-07-07 17:32:57 UTC
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Corey made two posts to this thread, actually... both not really even worth
remembering, Richard.
George J. Dance
2018-07-04 19:38:06 UTC
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Post by ME
I'm I the only one that hasn't pulled up others IP addresses? I don't know why I'd even want to?
For one reason: you've constantly accused people posting here of being sock puppets of other people who post here. Seeing where they're posting from would be a way to check your imaginings.
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 20:05:50 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George J. Dance
Post by ME
I'm I the only one that hasn't pulled up others IP addresses? I
don't know why I'd even want to?
For one reason: you've constantly accused people posting here of
being sock puppets of other people who post here. Seeing where
they're posting from would be a way to check your imaginings.
k00kfight!
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 18:38:42 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?

He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 19:27:00 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
It's also odd that you reply to many of my posts, but not to the ones
that are very embarrassing for you, isn't it?
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 01:00:11 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
It's also odd that you reply to many of my posts, but not to the ones
that are very embarrassing for you, isn't it?
I'm sorry, Peter. I got roped into having one of those family barbecue things. It's American Independence Day and all that.
George J. Dance
2018-07-04 19:47:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
Of course you're too self-absorbed to understand the meaning of the "heart and soul" reference, aren't you?

Here's a song that may help:

Heart & Soul
[with apologies to Frank Loesser]

Heart & soul, it bothers Peter Ross;
Heart & soul poets all make him cross.
Badly
Is how he thinks they write,
He bitches every night.

When they’re here, he plays his koOky games,
Calls them queer, moron & other names,
Faggot
Or pedophile or gay
To drive them all away.

Oh, but our Pete is so k0oky, way to0 kOoKy,
Too bad he looks and acts like a wookie.

Later to their ISPs he’ll flounce
To do you-know-what to their accounts;
Gladly
will he achieve his goal:
To have no heart & soul.

Music: Hoagy Carmichael

Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 20:05:23 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
Of course you're too self-absorbed to understand the meaning of the "heart and soul" reference, aren't you?
Heart & Soul
[with apologies to Frank Loesser]
Heart & soul, it bothers Peter Ross;
Heart & soul poets all make him cross.
Badly
Is how he thinks they write,
He bitches every night.
When they’re here, he plays his koOky games,
Calls them queer, moron & other names,
Faggot
Or pedophile or gay
To drive them all away.
Oh, but our Pete is so k0oky, way to0 kOoKy,
Too bad he looks and acts like a wookie.
Later to their ISPs he’ll flounce
To do you-know-what to their accounts;
Gladly
To have no heart & soul.
Music: Hoagy Carmichael
http://<SPAM>
Why are all your non-plagiarised "poems" about me, Dunce?

In case you were wondering: No, I still won't date you.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Richard Oakley
2018-07-04 23:02:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT),
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
Of course you're too self-absorbed to understand the meaning of the "heart and soul" reference, aren't you?
Heart & Soul
[with apologies to Frank Loesser]
Heart & soul, it bothers Peter Ross;
Heart & soul poets all make him cross.
Badly
Is how he thinks they write,
He bitches every night.
When they’re here, he plays his koOky games,
Calls them queer, moron & other names,
Faggot
Or pedophile or gay
To drive them all away.
Oh, but our Pete is so k0oky, way to0 kOoKy,
Too bad he looks and acts like a wookie.
Later to their ISPs he’ll flounce
To do you-know-what to their accounts;
Gladly
To have no heart & soul.
Music: Hoagy Carmichael
http://<SPAM>
Why are all your non-plagiarised "poems" about me, Dunce?
In case you were wondering: No, I still won't date you.
--
PJR :-)
τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
...and you have yet to answer my crit
in your very thread, curious...
Peter J Ross
2018-07-06 17:14:37 UTC
Permalink
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Richard Oakley
...and you have yet to answer my crit
in your very thread, curious...
That's because I'm busy with something you've never experienced that
we smug academics call "real life". There isn't world enough and time
to make fun of all the net.monkeys, so I concentrate on the
net.organ-grinders.

To put it another way: Your iliterate, ignorant, idiotic presence in
AAPC is only a minor nuisance, so I prefer to smack the *leaders* of
the iliterate, ignorant, idiotic pack around, rather than their
pathetic hangers-on.

The same applies to the Fake Vicar, whose two-word "critique"
contained one word that wasn't misspelt, and no provably plagiarised
words at all. Well done, Fake Vicar! That must be your best poast
ever!
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
h***@gmail.com
2018-07-06 18:01:14 UTC
Permalink
Excuse me. I'm busy. You know, real life.
Richard Oakley
2018-07-07 05:43:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Richard Oakley
...and you have yet to answer my crit
in your very thread, curious...
That's because I'm busy with something you've never experienced that
we smug *academics call "real life".
There isn't world enough and time
Post by Peter J Ross
to make fun of all the net.monkeys,
Oh, that's ok. You've aped/copied those
that came before you. You're not as
original as you think.

so I concentrate on the
Post by Peter J Ross
net.organ-grinders.
Whatever unfurled your sail.
Post by Peter J Ross
To put it another way: Your iliterate, ignorant, idiotic presence in
AAPC is only a minor nuisance,
...as I'm only part-time here, myself.

so I prefer to smack the *leaders* of
Post by Peter J Ross
the iliterate, ignorant, idiotic pack around,
Why not post a poem? You have yet to...

rather than their
Post by Peter J Ross
pathetic hangers-on.
Oh, I don't hang on
much.
Post by Peter J Ross
The same applies to the Fake Vicar, whose two-word "critique"
Didn't see his post. I believe it was
already deleted when I looked.

Therefore, all the rest of your spiel
below will be, rightfully, ignored.

r.
Post by Peter J Ross
contained one word that wasn't misspelt, and no provably plagiarised
words at all. Well done, Fake Vicar! That must be your best poast
ever!
--
PJR :-)
τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 00:58:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 08:46:56 -0700
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
I know him, and the poetry does seem real.
You know nothing about poetry. Poets have distinctive styles, but
illiterate morons are all pretty much the same. For example, you
and Creepy Mike write pretty much the same kind of illiterate
garbage, give or take a few "thee"s, "thou"s and "parlsied"s.
If there were even a shred of truth to that statement, I'd lay down
my pen forever, burn my collections, and throw myself in front of a
train.
It's odd that you liked Dreckery's "poems" when he was your "friend",
isn't it?
The archives will show that I have *always* maintained that Will did *not* write poetry.

I have repeatedly stated that his songs are good for his persona (an alcoholic, drug addicted bum type) and for the venue in which he performs them (Columbus dive bars at 3am). And I stand by that. If I were getting sloshed in a crappy dive bar at 3am, and Will started mumbling about "Crystal Blue Persuasion Sassafras," I'd consider it the perfect ambiance.
Post by Peter J Ross
He used to be so good that he was the "heart and soul of the group",
wasn't he?
That was a blatant ego-stroke aimed at cajoling him into "ignoring" (or, at least not responding to) your posts.

And there is a grain of truth behind it. When the group consists of four or five members, Will's obsessive need to reply to *every* post (whether direct to him or no) helps to keep the board alive.

However, when the group's actively participating membership increases (as when Jim's "Sunday Sampler" first took off), Will's same obsessiveness then works toward the group's detriment. I'd tried to get that point across to him as delicately as possible, but ... well, he's one dumbass mother fucker ...
Will Dockery
2018-07-05 01:03:11 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
I have *always* maintained that Will did *not* write poetry
Yet PJR thinks our poetry is almost interchangeable, Pen.

In other words, neither of us are poets, in his judgement.

Good ting neither of you guys are judges, right?

:)
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 01:19:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
I have *always* maintained that Will did *not* write poetry
Yet PJR thinks our poetry is almost interchangeable, Pen.
In other words, neither of us are poets, in his judgement.
Good ting neither of you guys are judges, right?
"Tings are neither good nor bad in and of themselves: it is the recipients who apply the labels."
-- Ling Ting Tong, "The Tao te Ting"
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-05 01:46:02 UTC
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On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:03:12 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:

Shalom & Erev tov, Will...PJR is not a poet, but likes play dough to throw at genuine artists. He is not a knowledgeable critic either although, in the case of two trolls known to both you and I, he has made devastatingly accurate summations of their fascism...and neither of them are poets. And, yes, I am writing this at my desk on my Dell Optiplex 760 TWR. I am delighted to see a slow growth of poet contributors here, particularly from Russia.

Ursula K. Le Guin, 2004. The wave in the mind: talks & essays on the writer, the reader, & the imagination (Shambhala Publicatons / Random House), 1-304
© 2004 by Ursula K. Le Guin
reprinted for educational discussion purposes


Speech connects us so immediately and vitally because it is a physical, bodily process, to begin with. Not a mental or spiritual one, wherever it may end.

If you mount two clock pendulums side by side on the wall, they will gradually begin to swing together. They synchronise each other by picking up tiny vibrations they each transmit through the wall.

Any two things that oscillate at about the same interval, if they’re physically near each other, will gradually tend to lock in and pulse at exactly the same interval. Things are lazy. It takes less energy to pulse cooperatively than to pulse in opposition. Physicists call this beautiful, economical laziness mutual phase locking, or entrainment.

All living beings are oscillators. We vibrate. Amoeba or human, we pulse, move rhythmically, change rhythmically; we keep time. You can see it in the amoeba under the microscope, vibrating in frequencies on the atomic, the molecular, the subcellular, and the cellular levels. That constant, delicate, complex throbbing is the process of life itself made visible.

We huge many-celled creatures have to coordinate millions of different oscillation frequencies, and interactions among frequencies, in our bodies and our environment. Most of the coordination is effected by synchronising the pulses, by getting the beats into a master rhythm, by entrainment.

[…]

Like the two pendulums, though through more complex processes, two people together can mutually phase-lock. Successful human relationship involves entrainment — getting in sync. If it doesn’t, the relationship is either uncomfortable or disastrous.

[...]

Sound signifies event. A noise means something is happening. Let’s say there’s a mountain out your window. You see the mountain. Your eyes report changes, snowy in winter, brown in summer, but mainly just report that it’s there. It’s scenery. But if you hear that mountain, then you know it’s doing something. I see Mount St. Helens out my study window, about eighty miles north. I did not hear it explode in 1980: the sound wave was so huge that it skipped Portland entirely and touched down in Eugene, a hundred miles to the south. Those who did hear that noise knew that something had happened. That was a word worth hearing. Sound is event.

Speech, the most specifically human sound, and the most significant kind of sound, is never just scenery, it’s always event.

[...]
When you speak a word to a listener, the speaking is an act. And it is a mutual act: the listener’s listening enables the speaker’s speaking. It is a shared event, intersubjective: the listener and speaker entrain with each other. Both the amoebas are equally responsible, equally physically, immediately involved in sharing bits of themselves.

[…]

The voice creates a sphere around it, which includes all its hearers: an intimate sphere or area, limited in both space and time.

Creation is an act. Action takes energy.

Sound is dynamic. Speech is dynamic — it is action. To act is to take power, to have power, to be powerful. Mutual communication between speakers and listeners is a powerful act. The power of each speaker is amplified, augmented, by the entrainment of the listeners. The strength of a community is amplified, augmented by its mutual entrainment in speech.

[…]

This is why utterance is magic. Words do have power. Names have power. Words are events, they do things, change things. They transform both speaker and hearer; they feed energy back and forth and amplify it. They feed understanding or emotion back and forth and amplify it.

In the realm of art … we can fulfill our expectations only by learning which authors disappoint and which authors offer the true nourishment for the soul. We find out who the good writers are, and then we look or wait for their next book. Such writers — living or dead, whatever genre they write in, critically fashionable or not, academically approved or not — are those who not only meet our expectations but surpass them. That is the gift the great storytellers have. They tell the same stories over and over (how many stories are there?), but when they tell them they are new, they are news, they renew us, they show us the world made new.

[…]

So people seek the irreproducible moment, the brief, fragile community of story told among people gathered together in one place. So children gather at the library to be read to: look at the little circle of faces, blazing with intensity. So the writer on a book tour, reading in the bookstore, and her group of listeners reenact the ancient ritual of the teller at the center of the circle. The living response has enabled that voice to speak. Teller and listener, each fulfills the other’s expectations. The living tongue that tells the word, the living ear that hears it, bind and bond us in the communion we long for in the silence of our inner solitude.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 03:26:44 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Shalom & Erev tov, Will...PJR is not a poet, but likes play dough to throw at genuine artists. He is not a knowledgeable critic either although, in the case of two trolls known to both you and I, he has made devastatingly accurate summations of their fascism...and neither of them are poets. And, yes, I am writing this at my desk on my Dell Optiplex 760 TWR. I am delighted to see a slow growth of poet contributors here, particularly from Russia.
Ursula K. Le Guin, 2004. The wave in the mind: talks & essays on the writer, the reader, & the imagination (Shambhala Publicatons / Random House), 1-304
© 2004 by Ursula K. Le Guin
reprinted for educational discussion purposes
Speech connects us so immediately and vitally because it is a physical, bodily process, to begin with. Not a mental or spiritual one, wherever it may end.
If you mount two clock pendulums side by side on the wall, they will gradually begin to swing together. They synchronise each other by picking up tiny vibrations they each transmit through the wall.
Any two things that oscillate at about the same interval, if they’re physically near each other, will gradually tend to lock in and pulse at exactly the same interval. Things are lazy. It takes less energy to pulse cooperatively than to pulse in opposition. Physicists call this beautiful, economical laziness mutual phase locking, or entrainment.
All living beings are oscillators. We vibrate. Amoeba or human, we pulse, move rhythmically, change rhythmically; we keep time. You can see it in the amoeba under the microscope, vibrating in frequencies on the atomic, the molecular, the subcellular, and the cellular levels. That constant, delicate, complex throbbing is the process of life itself made visible.
We huge many-celled creatures have to coordinate millions of different oscillation frequencies, and interactions among frequencies, in our bodies and our environment. Most of the coordination is effected by synchronising the pulses, by getting the beats into a master rhythm, by entrainment.
[…]
Like the two pendulums, though through more complex processes, two people together can mutually phase-lock. Successful human relationship involves entrainment — getting in sync. If it doesn’t, the relationship is either uncomfortable or disastrous.
[...]
Sound signifies event. A noise means something is happening. Let’s say there’s a mountain out your window. You see the mountain. Your eyes report changes, snowy in winter, brown in summer, but mainly just report that it’s there. It’s scenery. But if you hear that mountain, then you know it’s doing something. I see Mount St. Helens out my study window, about eighty miles north. I did not hear it explode in 1980: the sound wave was so huge that it skipped Portland entirely and touched down in Eugene, a hundred miles to the south. Those who did hear that noise knew that something had happened. That was a word worth hearing. Sound is event.
Speech, the most specifically human sound, and the most significant kind of sound, is never just scenery, it’s always event.
[...]
When you speak a word to a listener, the speaking is an act. And it is a mutual act: the listener’s listening enables the speaker’s speaking. It is a shared event, intersubjective: the listener and speaker entrain with each other. Both the amoebas are equally responsible, equally physically, immediately involved in sharing bits of themselves.
[…]
The voice creates a sphere around it, which includes all its hearers: an intimate sphere or area, limited in both space and time.
Creation is an act. Action takes energy.
Sound is dynamic. Speech is dynamic — it is action. To act is to take power, to have power, to be powerful. Mutual communication between speakers and listeners is a powerful act. The power of each speaker is amplified, augmented, by the entrainment of the listeners. The strength of a community is amplified, augmented by its mutual entrainment in speech.
[…]
This is why utterance is magic. Words do have power. Names have power. Words are events, they do things, change things. They transform both speaker and hearer; they feed energy back and forth and amplify it. They feed understanding or emotion back and forth and amplify it.
In the realm of art … we can fulfill our expectations only by learning which authors disappoint and which authors offer the true nourishment for the soul. We find out who the good writers are, and then we look or wait for their next book. Such writers — living or dead, whatever genre they write in, critically fashionable or not, academically approved or not — are those who not only meet our expectations but surpass them. That is the gift the great storytellers have. They tell the same stories over and over (how many stories are there?), but when they tell them they are new, they are news, they renew us, they show us the world made new.
[…]
So people seek the irreproducible moment, the brief, fragile community of story told among people gathered together in one place. So children gather at the library to be read to: look at the little circle of faces, blazing with intensity. So the writer on a book tour, reading in the bookstore, and her group of listeners reenact the ancient ritual of the teller at the center of the circle. The living response has enabled that voice to speak. Teller and listener, each fulfills the other’s expectations. The living tongue that tells the word, the living ear that hears it, bind and bond us in the communion we long for in the silence of our inner solitude.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח
davening in the musematic dark
Which website are you stealing U.K. LeGuin's writing from, Pick?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-05 04:16:26 UTC
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I made the error of cross-posting Ursula La Guin on communication. I quote, in my monograph-in-progress, quite extensively from her The wave in the mind (2004)...and her appearance in Reb Harlan Ellison's 1972 Again, dangerous visions with 'The word for world is forest'. It is a pity trolls here, Will, do not read.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-05 04:27:04 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
I made the error of cross-posting Ursula La Guin on communication. I quote, in my monograph-in-progress, quite extensively from her The wave in the mind (2004)...and her appearance in Reb Harlan Ellison's 1972 Again, dangerous visions with 'The word for world is forest'. It is a pity trolls here, Will, do not read.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח
davening in the musematic dark
Ursula Le Guin
Will Dockery
2018-07-04 22:40:26 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
The poaster calling himself "General Zod" seems (like you) to be not
very far away from Atlanta GA, as anybody knows who can not only read
an IP address but also interpret it.
Here's the info on Zod's post:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DPT3cqRKKyE/8l6tphuBCgAJ

NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.74.233.222

When looked up at:

https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/65.74.233.222

Shows Zod's IP location to be:

Details for 65.74.233.222
IP: 65.74.233.222
Decimal: 1095428574
Hostname: 65.74.233.222
ASN: 14654
ISP: AT&T Wi-Fi Services
Organization: AT&T Wi-Fi Services
Continent: North America
Country: United States us flag
State/Region: North Carolina
City: Charlotte
Will Dockery
2018-07-01 18:27:27 UTC
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Post by Richard Oakley
Post by General Zod
Hey there Richard it is I... Zod The Mighty....!
zod does not equal george.
Okay, point taken... just as the "Will Dockery" forger isn't me.

By the way, the IP address fo this Zod is in North Carolina, which does provide a clue... if we remember past spoofs.

:)
ME
2018-07-01 18:41:35 UTC
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Richard, when you pull up someone's post, does their IP address show up for you?
George J. Dance
2018-07-01 16:51:31 UTC
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Post by Richard Oakley
Post by h***@gmail.com
Numb9er Nin9e?
whoever is posing as George is trying
to copy his type of misprint.
So there's a mysterious someone "posing" here as G.S., and whatever typos appear in his posts are just clever attempts to "copy" the typos G.S. might make. And you figured all that out from a two-word post. Amazing!
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-01 17:30:15 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by h***@gmail.com
Numb9er Nin9e?
whoever is posing as George is trying
to copy his type of misprint.
So there's a mysterious someone "posing" here as G.S., and whatever typos appear in his posts are just clever attempts to "copy" the typos G.S. might make. And you figured all that out from a two-word post. Amazing!
On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 7:22:16 AM UTC-7, NaziGene...

remains a fabricating psychotic. I have a telephone. His problem is being uneducated, hungering for attention. Everything he presents is an illusion: he does not write, compose, paint, sculpt, draw.

Shalom & Boker tov, George...yes, genuinely amazing...that GS, who is posting here (with interesting creations), has a cyberian doppelgaenger.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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Will Dockery
2018-07-07 07:20:20 UTC
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<snipped for focus>
Post by Richard Oakley
Post by Peter J Ross
The same applies to the Fake Vicar, whose two-word "critique"
Didn't see his post. I believe it was
already deleted when I looked.
Therefore, all the rest of your spiel
below will be, rightfully, ignored.
Post by Peter J Ross
Numb9er Nin9e?
whoever is posing as George is trying
to copy his type of misprint.
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ME
2018-07-07 09:30:46 UTC
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Will, are you calling Richard a liar?
You are calling someone else a liar?
Richard Oakley
2018-07-07 17:25:17 UTC
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Post by ME
Will, are you calling Richard a liar?
You are calling someone else a liar?
No, He isn't. I actually did forget.
Will Dockery
2018-07-07 17:59:46 UTC
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Post by Richard Oakley
No, He isn't. I actually did forget.
Corey also posted two words:

"Phillip May"

Which he also deleted, but is retained by Narkive.org.
h***@gmail.com
2018-07-07 18:27:29 UTC
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Philip May Not. I Don't Know.
Will Dockery
2018-07-01 18:52:59 UTC
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You can get the IP address of any poster by clicking "Show Original".
ME
2018-07-01 18:57:54 UTC
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Like 172.58.....
ME
2018-07-01 18:58:58 UTC
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Seems like a lot of fucking trouble for something that does not matter.
Will Dockery
2018-07-01 21:47:17 UTC
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Post by ME
Like 172.58.....
I don't know... but that doesn't look like a complete IP address number, if that's what you mean.
Peter J Ross
2018-07-04 17:47:34 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 1 Jul 2018 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Will Dockery
You can get the IP address of any poster by clicking "Show Original".
Instead of getting an IP address, why don't you get a job?
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Will Dockery
2018-07-01 21:49:52 UTC
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Post by ME
Richard, when you pull up someone's post, does their IP address show up for you?
Just click "Show Original" and Google Groups provides all information on the poster.

This is Zod's post, for example:

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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DPT3cqRKKyE/8-OQMsEvCgAJ

X-Received: by 2002:ac8:50c:: with SMTP id u12-v6mr9532545qtg.48.1530337972208;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: ***@googlegroups.com
Received: by 2002:ac8:440b:: with SMTP id j11-v6ls7362111qtn.13.gmail; Fri, 29
Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:44d3:: with SMTP id b19-v6mr9456029qto.51.1530337971750;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a25:340c:: with SMTP id b12-v6mr1715723yba.0.1530337971671;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
Path: u13-v6ni709qtg.0!nntp.google.com!h2-v6no2289512qtp.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <***@homeridae.org>
Complaints-To: ***@google.com
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.134.159.22;
posting-account=pS_ayQoAAACl5wS0_f14T0FOw5quci8T
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.134.159.22
References: <***@homeridae.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e2487e54-3ca2-4ccf-a96c-***@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Net Gain / c&c / PJR
From: General Zod <***@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:52:51 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Post by ME
Net Gain
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Tomorrow or the next day I intend
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
carefully following the included diagrams.
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Goo9d poem.....

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From that, we get Zod's IP address, or anyone's by the same method:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.134.159.22
General Zod
2018-07-09 05:10:25 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by ME
Richard, when you pull up someone's post, does their IP address show up for you?
Just click "Show Original" and Google Groups provides all information on the poster.
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DPT3cqRKKyE/8-OQMsEvCgAJ
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:50c:: with SMTP id u12-v6mr9532545qtg.48.1530337972208;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 2002:ac8:440b:: with SMTP id j11-v6ls7362111qtn.13.gmail; Fri, 29
Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:44d3:: with SMTP id b19-v6mr9456029qto.51.1530337971750;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a25:340c:: with SMTP id b12-v6mr1715723yba.0.1530337971671;
Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
Path: u13-v6ni709qtg.0!nntp.google.com!h2-v6no2289512qtp.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.134.159.22;
posting-account=pS_ayQoAAACl5wS0_f14T0FOw5quci8T
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.134.159.22
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: Net Gain / c&c / PJR
Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:52:51 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Post by ME
Net Gain
--------
Tomorrow or the next day I intend
to drill twelve holes inside our two bay windows.
Into the holes I'll screw twelve metal hooks.
From hook to hook I'll stretch six plastic wires,
carefully following the included diagrams.
I'll cut the lace, three times the windows' width,
carefully pleat it on the wires, and stand,
proud of my handiwork, outside the house
to check the spies at Number Nine can't see
your blood and hammered skull, my nagging darling.
PJR, 2018-06-21
N.B. No wives were harmed in the making of this poem.
Goo9d poem.....
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.134.159.22
Internet really keeps track these days...….

Big Brother is watching....

Creepy 1984 world...………………………………………...
Will Dockery
2018-07-05 01:27:39 UTC
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Typo alert:

"Things" not "tings".

:)
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 03:25:01 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
"Things" not "tings".
Too late.
Will Dockery
2018-07-05 04:47:23 UTC
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With a spelling lamer like you on board, we know, Pendragon.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 05:25:05 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
With a spelling lamer like you on board, we know, Pendragon.
I've no interest in Pick's spelling errors, Will. I just want to know how he supposedly fits a desk into a bicycle basket.
Will Dockery
2018-07-05 12:21:15 UTC
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"The answer, my friend... " -Bob Dylan

😀
ME
2018-07-05 12:26:13 UTC
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In pjr's post, he pointed out that zod's post where coming from NC. Isn't that where will and dunce claimed a troll was posting from?
Will Dockery
2018-07-05 16:14:27 UTC
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Post by ME
In pjr's post, he pointed out that zod's post where coming from NC. Isn't that where will and dunce claimed a troll was posting from?
The poaster calling himself "General Zod" seems (like you) to be not
very far away from Atlanta GA, as anybody knows who can not only read
an IP address but also interpret it.
Here's the info on Zod's post:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DPT3cqRKKyE/8l6tphuBCgAJ

NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.74.233.222

When looked up at:

https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/65.74.233.222

Shows Zod's IP location to be:

Details for 65.74.233.222
IP: 65.74.233.222
Decimal: 1095428574
Hostname: 65.74.233.222
ASN: 14654
ISP: AT&T Wi-Fi Services
Organization: AT&T Wi-Fi Services
Continent: North America
Country: United States us flag
State/Region: North Carolina
City: Charlotte

...
George J. Dance
2018-07-10 23:08:27 UTC
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Post by ME
In pjr's post, he pointed out that zod's post where coming from NC. Isn't that where will and dunce claimed a troll was posting from?
Not that I know of, hon. Do you remember when, and why, you thought I was claiming that "a troll" was posting from NC?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-11 03:23:29 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by ME
In pjr's post, he pointed out that zod's post where coming from NC. Isn't that where will and dunce claimed a troll was posting from?
Not that I know of, hon. Do you remember when, and why, you thought I was claiming that "a troll" was posting from NC?
Shalom & Erev tov, George...On 4 March 2018, Will was able to pinpoint one troll's IP address to North Carolina, and it was not Zod (this being one of ME's typical Quacker memory distortions).
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Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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Michael Pendragon
2018-07-05 16:21:12 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
"The answer, my friend... " -Bob Dylan
Pick's stoned?

Could be. However, given his history of mental illness, and judging from the frequency of his delusional rants here, I'd say that his "desk" is a milk crate that he stole from behind the local supermarket.
Rachel
2018-07-06 17:26:52 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
"The answer, my friend... " -Bob Dylan
Pick's stoned?
Could be. However, given his history of mental illness, and judging from the frequency of his delusional rants here, I'd say that his "desk" is a milk crate that he stole from behind the local supermarket.
with a coke bottle on it?
Will Dockery
2018-07-11 03:30:25 UTC
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Zod had been in Florida with his family for a while, but he has been back in this area for a month or so.

Zod has never mentioned a North Carolina connection, yet the person posting under his name shows an IP address there.

A mystery, but perhaps he has his location masked?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-07-11 03:54:52 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Zod had been in Florida with his family for a while, but he has been back in this area for a month or so.
Zod has never mentioned a North Carolina connection, yet the person posting under his name shows an IP address there.
A mystery, but perhaps he has his location masked?
If I remember correctly, without doing a 'search for messages at aapc, you thought, perhaps, BabblingBrook was behind the North Carolina IP fakery.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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