Ping George Dance, Gino Santercole faces deletion

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
The article Gino Santercole has been proposed for deletion because
under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created
after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly
supports material in the article.
If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead,
consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see
Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners or ask at Wikipedia:Help desk.
Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove
the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article
is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the
article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when
you are ready to add one. joe deckertalk to me 06:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I'll look for stuff and do what I can, but i don't know what I can do:
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Will Dockery

2011-05-14 01:14:14 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

His biggest claim to "Notability" here in the US might be that he
translated and released an Italian version of "Eve Of Destruction" as
something like "What A Strange Old Worlsd This Is" or something like
that, and had a hit with it.

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

George Dance

2011-05-14 16:37:11 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

His biggest claim to "Notability" here in the US might be that he
translated and released an Italian version of "Eve Of Destruction" as
something like "What A Strange Old Worlsd This Is" or something like
that, and had a hit with it.
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Will Dockery

2011-05-14 16:59:42 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

His biggest claim to "Notability" here in the US might be that he
translated and released an Italian version of "Eve Of Destruction" as
something like "What A Strange Old World This Is" or something like
that, and had a hit with it.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

George Dance

2011-05-14 20:30:03 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Yeah, I've had encounters with some of those"Wikipedia folks" myself.
(For example, in the articles I've worked on on poets, I've included
links to their poems on my blog -- but one of those 'folks' has taken
it upon herself to 'remove' them.

One thing to remember is that none of these people work for Wikipedia
-- they're just volunteer editors, no different from you or I, and
with no more authority. All they have is that they've been around a
bit longer, and know a bit more of how to operate in that
environment.

Meanwhile, the number of editors at Wiki has stopped growing, and has
actually fallen, which is a matter of concern to the actual org. New
editors are still coming in, like me, but others are leaving at the
same rate. And the prime reason for that is "other editors".

Very much like the story of the Shit People here, when you think about
it. There are differences, of course: for one thing, no flaming or
other abuse is allowed (try that, and you'll be reported to the real
org, and be banned). But it's the same thing; a nucleus of people
cliquing, deciding they run things, and in the process driving all
the new blood away. It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

Will Dockery

2011-05-14 21:59:44 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by George Dance
One thing to remember is that none of these people work for Wikipedia
-- they're just volunteer editors, no different from you or I, and
with no more authority. All they have is that they've been around a
bit longer, and know a bit more of how to operate in that
environment.
Meanwhile, the number of editors at Wiki has stopped growing, and has
actually fallen, which is a matter of concern to the actual org. New
editors are still coming in, like me, but others are leaving at the
same rate. And the prime reason for that is "other editors".

That's how and why Wikinfo was created, and created by former
Wikipedia editors who became fed up with the restrictive rules.
Wikinfo has also been a place to post entries that were deemed
unworthy by these editors you describe, which have been decided are
not "Notable" or whatever:

Here's one I've been working with over there:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Post by George Dance
Very much like the story of the Shit People here, when you think about
it. There are differences, of course: for one thing, no flaming or
other abuse is allowed (try that, and you'll be reported to the real
org, and be banned). But it's the same thing; a nucleus of people
cliquing, deciding they run things, and in the process driving all
the new blood away.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

George Dance

2011-05-15 01:29:58 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

I agree. The first one I had poems removed from was Stephen Crane,
which was OK since they're fairly widely available; but the second was
Rimbaud, and, as I pointed out to her, those were unique. Anyway,
that's a battle that's not over.

Interesting. I know there were disagreements over the POV guidelines,
but the official Wikipedia account glosses over it. I like the idea of
Wikinfo, but I don't want to give up on Wikipedia just yet. For one
thing, there's a huge audience that uses it, and that continues to
increase -- everything is increasing but the # of editors. For
another, I'm still new there, really; there's a period when I can put
up with BS as part of the learning curve (just like I did here for a
bit). For a third (also just like here), I'm not driven away that
easily.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)

There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.

Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

Post by Will Dockery
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Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

Will Dockery

2011-05-15 09:57:42 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:

George Dance

2011-05-15 12:29:06 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

Somebody is, anyway. I saw the picture you added to the article
yesterday, from it.wikipedia, and that it was removed a bit later. I
don't know the story: the Italian page says that, under Italian law,
stills from movies are copyrighted for 20 years only; I have no idea
if there's a comparable procedure for the U.S. (which is the law
English wikipedia operates under). I do know that the guy who removed
Santercole's picture from en.wikipedia was supposed to give seven
days' notice before removing it ("WP:CSD#F11.), and is claiming he
did. I wanted to ask you if you were the uploader, and if you got that
notice, before I wrote him about that.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-15 18:30:56 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

No, because as the records should show I only loaded that infobox/
photo *yesterday*!

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-15 19:08:54 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

No, because as the records should show I only loaded that infobox/
photo *yesterday*!

Thanks -- that's just what I needed, to talk to him. The problem was,
he didn't just delete the link to the picture, but the picture with
the page -- including all the history of the file.
Anyway, he hasn't said he gave seven days' notice: just that he
followed the above guideline; (which requires seven days' notice, but
he might not even have read that). Let me talk to him.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-15 19:20:23 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

No, because as the records should show I only loaded that infobox/
photo *yesterday*!

He deleted the entire page?!? No, that's way out of line, since much
work has been done from the both of us to assure notability &
references are in place... with more to come.

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-15 20:30:25 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

No, because as the records should show I only loaded that infobox/
photo *yesterday*!

He deleted the entire page?!? No, that's way out of line, since much
work has been done from the both of us to assure notability &
references are in place... with more to come.

No, no; sorry. He deleted the wikipedia page for the picture. The
English page that corresponds to this one on the Italian wiki:
Loading Image...

(call that the
'picture page'.) The English one would have a similar url, but
starting with 'en.' rather than 'it.'. Our page is still there, but
now instead of the picture, there's a red link meaning the page you
linked to is gone.

Sorry about that; I've been assuming that you did both: first uploaded
the jpg and put it on a picture page, and then put the link into the
article to link back to that page. If that's wrong, and the picture
page was already there, then that changes things: he could have sent a
warning notice of deletion to whoever uploaded the file to create the
picture page in the first place.
That doesn't sound right to me, because I went looking for a picture
and couldn't find one; but it could be; so I need more info from you;
whether you uploaded the picture to en.wikipedia, or just linked to
it.

Sorry to spend so much time on this, but I think he couldn've been out
of line, and I just want to be sure before I go rushing in.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 00:55:06 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Post by Will Dockery
I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain,

Okay, this is where I was, and still am... looking for a photo
Wikipedia is likely to allow to remain on the page.

Post by Will Dockery
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

No, because as the records should show I only loaded that infobox/
photo *yesterday*!

He deleted the entire page?!? No, that's way out of line, since much
work has been done from the both of us to assure notability &
references are in place... with more to come.

No, no; sorry. He deleted the wikipedia page for the picture. The
English page that corresponds to this one on the Italian wiki:http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gino_Santercole.jpg(call that the
'picture page'.) The English one would have a similar url, but
starting with 'en.' rather than 'it.'. Our page is still there, but
now instead of the picture, there's a red link meaning the page you
linked to is gone.
Sorry about that; I've been assuming that you did both: first uploaded
the jpg and put it on a picture page, and then put the link into the
article to link back to that page. If that's wrong, and the picture
page was already there, then that changes things: he could have sent a
warning notice of deletion to whoever uploaded the file to create the
picture page in the first place.

Yes, see below what I did... apparently another editor loaded a
picture that was quickly deleted?

Post by George Dance
That doesn't sound right to me, because I went looking for a picture
and couldn't find one; but it could be; so I need more info from you;
whether you uploaded the picture to en.wikipedia, or just linked to
it.
Sorry to spend so much time on this, but I think he couldn've been out
of line, and I just want to be sure before I go rushing in.

Okay, that could be the problem, I just now tried linking to File:Gino
Santercole.jpg but that hasn't worked, either.

I see where some of the confusion came in, here, as I hesitated on
loading the same image of Gino that exists on the Italian site, opting
instead to try to find an image that would be definitely a "free"
image, such as a publicity portatrait.

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-15 15:51:18 UTC

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

Great, I see "notability" all over it, but I've been shot down by the
Wikipedia folks more than a couple of times...

Some of those poems are unavailable or pretty rare otherwise, though,
right? If your blog is the best place to find the poems, then I don't
see how there can be a problem.

Post by Will Dockery
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/J._Edward_Wilson

Good stuff. I'm glad you are working over there; and I'll help out
there as gladly as at Wikipedia. Just ask (but not too often 8)
There's probably a way to link Wikinfo articles to Wikipedia and vice
versa. I know how to link articles from Wikisource and the French
Wikipedia, which is cool. It would make it easier for Wikinfo, too;
there are a lot of red links there, which could be linked back to
Wikipedia.

So, I haven't heard anything about PJR's moderated poetry newsgroup in
a long while... did they get it up and running yet?

I've heard and seen nothing, so I doubt it. To tell you the truth, I
think pj still considers himself a member of AAPC -- his monthly drive-
by to post an outdated FAQ being his contribution.

Yes, well, even if they've started a new poetry group on Usenet, it'll
take a while to get onto the Google Groups version... if at all.

Post by Will Dockery
It's a trend that could kill Wikipedia just the

Post by George Dance
way it killed RAP and AAPC; the only good sign is that, unlike usenet,
there is a Board on top of things who is aware of the problem, and
wants to do something about it.>

I had no idea times had grown so hard to the Wikipedia crowd.

Maybe things are exaggerated from my perspective. And I have found
some good people there, too; it's not all clique.
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

I already replied to this, but it was good to reread and have the
feedback. Yes, the site looks good. I like the info box you found; I
had a hell of a time getting the flag to fit in there, but it's in. I
found another source, an Italian blog that interviewed Santercole,
which let me put in a few more cited quotes.* And the whole page reads
like English now, not bot-translations from Italian.

I've been ignoring all that, looking ahead at the next task. And
there's a couple of pieces of info I could not put in, because I
couldn't get them right. One: I found two sources (on Celentano) that
say he founded the Clan Celentano label in 1965; and it would be nice
to use one and get another cite in. But ... the discography shows
records on the CC label going back years earlier, and I don't want
contradictions like that in the article. Two:
There is no evidence of any quarrel or rift between Celentano and
Santercole; they're continually doing things for each other, backing
each other up, even marrying sisters. Then we come to the last
section: "Reconciliation with Celentano" Huh? Obviously there was some
kind of fight that no one wants to talk about; but it's silly to try
to cover up the fight and mention the reconciliation. (And that's not
just the it.wiki article that did that; in the blog interview,
Celentano did the same thing.

* I used the Italian blog only because it was all I could find, but I
still appreciate the irony. The same person who removed my translation
of Rimbaud, also decided to remove a translation I did of one
paragraph of one of the Lettres du Voyant. So now the reason for
removing my work is not just that it's from a blog (and not a
"recognized authority"), but that all my translations are unreliable
(even though I give the originals as well, so that anyone could check
them) because I'm not a "recognized authority" at translating, either.
So it was fun to translate a blog.8)

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 01:13:56 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

Post by George Dance
Anyway, the good news. I found some info about Santercole on IMDb; all
his movies, plus the names of his characters, etc. So I went through
the list of films in the article an checked it against the IMDB list,
and then cited that. So there now is one source, meaning that anyone
who can read will hesitate to take the article down. We could even
take the red box down (while leaving the others up), but i'd rather
work some more on the article before doing that.

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Post by George Dance
I've been ignoring all that, looking ahead at the next task. And
there's a couple of pieces of info I could not put in, because I
couldn't get them right. One: I found two sources (on Celentano) that
say he founded the Clan Celentano label in 1965; and it would be nice
to use one and get another cite in. But ... the discography shows
records on the CC label going back years earlier, and I don't want
There is no evidence of any quarrel or rift between Celentano and
Santercole; they're continually doing things for each other, backing
each other up, even marrying sisters. Then we come to the last
section: "Reconciliation with Celentano" Huh? Obviously there was some
kind of fight that no one wants to talk about; but it's silly to try
to cover up the fight and mention the reconciliation. (And that's not
just the it.wiki article that did that; in the blog interview,
Celentano did the same thing.

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Post by George Dance
* I used the Italian blog only because it was all I could find, but I
still appreciate the irony. The same person who removed my translation
of Rimbaud, also decided to remove a translation I did of one
paragraph of one of the Lettres du Voyant. So now the reason for
removing my work is not just that it's from a blog (and not a
"recognized authority"), but that all my translations are unreliable
(even though I give the originals as well, so that anyone could check
them) because I'm not a "recognized authority" at translating, either.
So it was fun to translate a blog.8)

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-16 01:26:57 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Yes, they have that template that encourages it. And if all the
articles were properly sourced, it would work out great. But they
aren't: the rule about inline citation is fairly new, and a lot of the
articles on all the groups are unsourced. The other wikipedia is *not*
a source, as one can be changed as easily as the other. Translate an
unsourced article, and all you have is two unsourced articles. No one
tells the newbies about that.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 01:35:18 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Is there a movement to delete all the articles that are not sourced,
or is there more attention place on newly created articles that are
unsourced? There are probably thousands of unsourced articles on
Wikipedia, or not?

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-16 02:40:54 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

The other articles are just sitting there, with the standard orange
tags, the idea being they're notable enough to stay, and someone can
come along and add footnotes. Problem is, the older editors won't --
in the main, all they do is tag and delete and revert and monitor --
and neither will the new ones: they want to work on their own ideas
for articles. And remember, all this is as voluntary as usenet.
Imagine me coming up with a rule that everyone had to contribute a
post in this thread on Gino Santercole, and how many people would do
it!

The new idea is to form Projects, sort of like online meetups, that
sit down and plan attacks for the articles in a topic, like Women's
History or Ontario or whatever. I don't know how that's working out; I
write on my own, and have nothing to do with projects.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 03:02:27 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

I assume or wonder if Fred & his editors over at Wikinfo are following
this, since a couple of years ago one of the biggest purposes of
Wikinfo was salvaging deleted topics & reposting them. As a matter of
fact, I think there's still several I wanted to get moved over...
somewhere on Wikinfo Fred explains how he goes in and finds these
deleted entires (It may be because he's still an administrator at
Wikipedia, if my memory serves me well, he was one of the earliest, &
one of the first to distance himself from day-to-day editing there)
for reposting.

Post by George Dance
The other articles are just sitting there, with the standard orange
tags, the idea being they're notable enough to stay, and someone can
come along and add footnotes. Problem is, the older editors won't --
in the main, all they do is tag and delete and revert and monitor --
and neither will the new ones: they want to work on their own ideas
for articles. And remember, all this is as voluntary as usenet.
Imagine me coming up with a rule that everyone had to contribute a
post in this thread on Gino Santercole, and how many people would do
it!
The new idea is to form Projects, sort of like online meetups, that
sit down and plan attacks for the articles in a topic, like Women's
History or Ontario or whatever. I don't know how that's working out; I
write on my own, and have nothing to do with projects.

I remember there were "projects" back several years ago when I was
active on Wikipedia, for a brief time... I assume these new ones are
evolutions of those.

--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

George Dance

2011-05-16 03:44:20 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

Can you talk to him? I'd like to post the 50 or so articles I've
worked on somewhere else, and wikinfo would be a good place; only
problem being I don't know how compatible the editors (editing
programs) are.

I remember there were "projects" back several years ago when I was
active on Wikipedia, for a brief time... I assume these new ones are
evolutions of those.
--
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & http://youtu.be/_XyRCh0kj5w

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 04:00:59 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

As far as I know, the *editing programs* (if I understand what you
mean by that correctly) are almost exactly the same. Fred's a Facebook
friend but we never talk there, but a couple of years ago he was on
Wikinfo pretty much every day.

Try contacting him here, where some lively communication has been
known to go on:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Wikinfo:Village_pump

"...This is the place to discuss anything you wish, ask questions on
any topic or introduce yourself. Please make sure you sign your
comments by typing ~~~~ at the end."

Also, these articles might be interesting places for you to start, and
possibly test the compatability of Wikis:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance

or

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Alt.arts.poetry.comments

I'm running real late for an important meeting, but will connect more
of the dots with you on my return, George... hope you'll join us on
Wikinfo, I think you'll enjoy the freewheeling style there.

Post by Will Dockery
The other articles are just sitting there, with the standard orange

Post by George Dance
tags, the idea being they're notable enough to stay, and someone can
come along and add footnotes. Problem is, the older editors won't --
in the main, all they do is tag and delete and revert and monitor --
and neither will the new ones: they want to work on their own ideas
for articles. And remember, all this is as voluntary as usenet.
Imagine me coming up with a rule that everyone had to contribute a
post in this thread on Gino Santercole, and how many people would do
it!
The new idea is to form Projects, sort of like online meetups, that
sit down and plan attacks for the articles in a topic, like Women's
History or Ontario or whatever. I don't know how that's working out; I
write on my own, and have nothing to do with projects.

I remember there were "projects" back several years ago when I was
active on Wikipedia, for a brief time... I assume these new ones are
evolutions of those.

--
Hogbottom footage, in this clip: "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" &
"Crawford Road Crawl" by Will Dockery & Friends:
http://bit.ly/iVfurj

George Dance

2011-05-16 16:06:43 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

As far as I know, the *editing programs* (if I understand what you
mean by that correctly) are almost exactly the same. Fred's a Facebook
friend but we never talk there, but a couple of years ago he was on
Wikinfo pretty much every day.
Try contacting him here, where some lively communication has been
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Wikinfo:Village_pump
"...This is the place to discuss anything you wish, ask questions on
any topic or introduce yourself. Please make sure you sign your
comments by typing ~~~~ at the end."
Also, these articles might be interesting places for you to start, and
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
or
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Alt.arts.poetry.comments
I'm running real late for an important meeting, but will connect more
of the dots with you on my return, George... hope you'll join us on
Wikinfo, I think you'll enjoy the freewheeling style there.

Post by Will Dockery
The other articles are just sitting there, with the standard orange

I remember there were "projects" back several years ago when I was
active on Wikipedia, for a brief time... I assume these new ones are
evolutions of those.

I did a test today -- I tried copying over one of the wikipedia
articles I've worked on, "Charles Heavysege." Worked fine; everything
came out properly; the photo (which is on wiki commons linked), etc.
Here's the result:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Charles_Heavysege

A couple of templates didn't exist, and there were a lot of red links;
but that's no big deal.

Post by Will Dockery
--
Hogbottom footage, in this clip: "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" &
"Crawford Road Crawl" by Will Dockery & Friends:http://bit.ly/iVfurj

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 22:02:18 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Post by Will Dockery
I assume or wonder if Fred & his editors over at Wikinfo are following
this, since a couple of years ago one of the biggest purposes of
Wikinfo was salvaging deleted topics & reposting them. As a matter of
fact, I think there's still several I wanted to get moved over...
somewhere on Wikinfo Fred explains how he goes in and finds these
deleted entires (It may be because he's still an administrator at
Wikipedia, if my memory serves me well, he was one of the earliest, &
one of the first to distance himself from day-to-day editing there)
for reposting.

As far as I know, the *editing programs* (if I understand what you
mean by that correctly) are almost exactly the same. Fred's a Facebook
friend but we never talk there, but a couple of years ago he was on
Wikinfo pretty much every day.
Try contacting him here, where some lively communication has been
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Wikinfo:Village_pump
"...This is the place to discuss anything you wish, ask questions on
any topic or introduce yourself. Please make sure you sign your
comments by typing ~~~~ at the end."
Also, these articles might be interesting places for you to start, and
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
or
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Alt.arts.poetry.comments

<snip>

Post by Will Dockery
I did a test today -- I tried copying over one of the wikipedia
articles I've worked on, "Charles Heavysege." Worked fine; everything
came out properly; the photo (which is on wiki commons linked), etc.
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Charles_Heavysege
A couple of templates didn't exist, and there were a lot of red links;
but that's no big deal.

Yes, Wikinfo is incomplete in some areas, and filled with additional
articles that were deemed "Un-Noteworthy" and so on at Wikipedia over
the years, where that sort of thing is done in a very double-standard
fashion. Yes, simililarly to the way things used to be here until the
thugs were finally driven away.

--
Greybeard Cavalier / Shadowville All-Stars at Doo-Nanny 2011:

Post by Will Dockery
--

Post by Will Dockery
Hogbottom footage, in this clip: "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" &

http://bit.ly/iVfurj

George Dance

2011-05-17 04:03:32 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

I think this has been resolved. There were some of what I'd call the
'controllers' in the file today, but they were just making minor
changes: changing the Pop reference to Pop Music for disambiguation,
that sort of thing. No one put a warning box up. So I think it's
resolved, and (while it would still be nice to get a picture), I think
it's done.

Post by Will Dockery
<snip for brevity>
<snip>

While I plan to continue working at Wikipedia till I'm driven away,
I'd like to contribute to Wikinfo as well. I've been thinking about it
today. My original plan was to copy over the articles I've written all
or most of, but then I realized I could also copy articles I haven't
written but which contain links to my blogs. And I got the idea of
starting with the two from which my links were removed, Stephen Crane
and Arthur Rimbaud. They're both excellent articles, BTW, if a bit too
long for normal reading. But I think they're great, and they're a
beginning.

So, just like with Wikipedia, this could be mutually beneficial by
directing readers to my blog's poetry.

If PJ Ross reads this, and has another meltdown about me 'violating
Wikipedia's copyrights', that will be a bonus. 8)

Post by Will Dockery
--
Greybeard Cavalier / Shadowville All-Stars at Doo-Nanny http://youtu.be/XCFYJnwgLuA

Post by Will Dockery
--

Post by Will Dockery
Hogbottom footage, in this clip: "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" &

http://bit.ly/iVfurj

Will Dockery

2011-05-17 08:56:07 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

I'd like to get a photo in, as well, though I know that the editors
already went through what Wikinfo called an "image purge" or somesuch
a few years back.

Post by Will Dockery
<snip for brevity>
<snip>

Wikinfo is also good for more lower key entries that deserve write-ups
but for "notability" reasons won't pass Wikipedia as it is today.

Post by George Dance
So, just like with Wikipedia, this could be mutually beneficial by
directing readers to my blog's poetry.
If PJ Ross reads this, and has another meltdown about me 'violating
Wikipedia's copyrights', that will be a bonus. 8)

I think we already had a roundabout on that subject, PJR never seemed
to understand that Wikipedia articles are meant to be reposted freely.

--
Greybeard Cavalier / Shadowville All-Stars at Doo-Nanny 2011:
http://youtu.be/XCFYJnwgLuA

Post by Will Dockery
Hogbottom footage, in this clip: "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" &

http://bit.ly/iVfurj

Will Dockery

2019-06-08 18:33:31 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

In the end it did. All I wanted was poets' bios cross-linked to the poems on my blog, but it took so long to achieve. After the Wikipedia brou-ha-ha I went about reconstructing them on Wikinfo (http://wikinfo.org/wikinfo/index.php/Main_Page) but that had some kind of breakdown, and I ended up having to do it all over again on Wikia (now Fandom).

But that's been working out over the years. In 2017 we added our 10,000th article.
I remember Fred Bauder and his Wikinfo, which, if my memory serves me well, also spun off from a fued with the moderators at Wikipedia.

Yeah, but his dispute was quite higher up; IIRC what I read, Bauder was one of the original guys who worked with Jim Wales to get Wikipedia up and running, and his disputes were with Wales: he wanted articles to be positive about the subjects (while Wales wanted neutral), he wanted to allow signed articles from (Wales didn't), and he wanted a simple log-in to edit the wiki (Wales insisted that anyone in the world should be able to edit it). Bauder lost on all points, so he 'forked' - he set up Wikinfo, and proceeded to copy all the Wikipedia articles onto it. Of course he never finished that, but other people were working on it with him: I copied > hundreds of poetry articles there.
In contrast, the new Wikinfo has no Wikipedia content at all, and very
few articles in all.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

George J. Dance

2019-06-08 19:01:27 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Will Dockery

2019-06-08 19:09:55 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

I notice that a random link:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Charles_Heavysege

Does not work:

---------------------------------------------------

Not Found
The requested URL /index.php/Charles_Heavysege was not found on this server.

Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at www.wikinfo.org Port 80

----------------------------------------------

So wikinfo.org may actually finally be defunct.

Brainiac Five

2019-06-08 21:17:51 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Wikinfo does at least exist..........

http://www.wikinfo.org/

George J. Dance

2019-06-08 21:27:43 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Wikinfo does at least exist..........
http://www.wikinfo.org/

I did a search and saw that page, but I didn't bother checking the links out; it looks like one of those spam pages that gets put up when a domain goes down. But I just went back and clicked the 'Wikinfo' link, and yeah, that looks likes Fred's wiki.

Brainiac Five

2019-06-08 21:30:50 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Wikinfo does at least exist..........
http://www.wikinfo.org/

Except it is nearly empty at my brief observations, such as no Poe:

http://wikinfo.org/wikinfo/index.php?search=Edgar+Allan+Poe&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1

Search results
Edgar Allan Poe
Content pages
Multimedia
Everything
Advanced
Create the page "Edgar Allan Poe" on this wiki!

There were no results matching the query.

Will Dockery

2019-06-16 19:25:47 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Wikinfo does at least exist..........
http://www.wikinfo.org/

I just found another long running Wiki is having hard times, too bad, since most of their information is unique, Zine Wiki:

Some of the pages still work, in "Cached" form, such as the Rick Howe entry:

============================================================

http://www.zinewiki.com/Rick_Howe

Rick Howe
From ZineWiki
Jump to: navigation, search
Rick Howe was a small press minicomic creator and zinester, best known for his 1990s zine Topical Studies, as well as being a folk music singer/songwriter and poet. According to theRick Howe Memorial page, Howe passed away in 2007.

On October 20, 2007 the Wrong Place community lost our friend, Rick Howe. We have added a new Memorial Page for him. - Wrong Place website
Originally from Beaufort, South Carolina, Howe relocated to Columbus, Georgia in 1989, where he was an early member of the Shadowville scene, creating and collaborating on dozens of minicomics and poetry chapbooks, as well as being a founding member, with George Sulzbach and Will Dockery, of the Shadowville All-Stars, then known as the Search Group.

Howe relocated to Springdale, Arkansas in 1996, where he remained for the rest of his life, putting out new issues of Topical Studies and minicomics work from time-to-time, writing and singing his songs.

Zines
Geon, Protector of the Environment, 1990s, with Will Dockery.
Symbolman 1987.
Topical Studies 1990s-present.
Daily Tweet, 1987.
Crosscurrents, the Small Press League memberzine, 1990-1992.
See also
List of Minicomics Creators
minicomic co-ops

========================================================

Other pages are just code gobbledygook:

====================================================

http://www.zinewiki.com/zinewiki/index.php?title=Geon,_Protector_of_the_Environment&action=edit&redlink=1

This is a cached copy of the requested page, and may not be up to date.
Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

(Cannot contact the database server: Access denied for user 'vyvyan'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost))

Backtrace:

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#5 /home/vyvyan/public_html/zinewiki/includes/page/WikiPage.php(515): WikiPage->exists()
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#14 {main}
You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.

=============================================================

Whatever material on poets and chapbooks listed there that was imported to your Wiki may be the last copies to remain, I'm not sure.

Victor Hugo III

2019-06-16 22:20:35 UTC

It worked out great, George, since your poetry wiki is thriving because of it.

I still haven't looked up Wikinfo again, any progress there over the last two years?

I confess I no longer read it. I don't even have the link bookmarked (and can't see it in a search).

Wikinfo does at least exist..........
http://www.wikinfo.org/

============================================================
http://www.zinewiki.com/Rick_Howe
Rick Howe
From ZineWiki
Jump to: navigation, search
Rick Howe was a small press minicomic creator and zinester, best known for his 1990s zine Topical Studies, as well as being a folk music singer/songwriter and poet. According to theRick Howe Memorial page, Howe passed away in 2007.
On October 20, 2007 the Wrong Place community lost our friend, Rick Howe. We have added a new Memorial Page for him. - Wrong Place website
Originally from Beaufort, South Carolina, Howe relocated to Columbus, Georgia in 1989, where he was an early member of the Shadowville scene, creating and collaborating on dozens of minicomics and poetry chapbooks, as well as being a founding member, with George Sulzbach and Will Dockery, of the Shadowville All-Stars, then known as the Search Group.
Howe relocated to Springdale, Arkansas in 1996, where he remained for the rest of his life, putting out new issues of Topical Studies and minicomics work from time-to-time, writing and singing his songs.
Zines
Geon, Protector of the Environment, 1990s, with Will Dockery.
Symbolman 1987.
Topical Studies 1990s-present.
Daily Tweet, 1987.
Crosscurrents, the Small Press League memberzine, 1990-1992.
See also
List of Minicomics Creators
minicomic co-ops
========================================================
====================================================
http://www.zinewiki.com/zinewiki/index.php?title=Geon,_Protector_of_the_Environment&action=edit&redlink=1
This is a cached copy of the requested page, and may not be up to date.
Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
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#13 /home/vyvyan/public_html/zinewiki/index.php(46): MediaWiki->run()
#14 {main}
You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.
=============================================================
Whatever material on poets and chapbooks listed there that was imported to your Wiki may be the last copies to remain, I'm not sure.

That is interesting...........

Brainiac Five

2019-06-09 22:43:22 UTC

Appears Wiki Info needs rebuilding....

Brainiac Five

2019-06-11 05:52:46 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

I'd like to get a photo in, as well, though I know that the editors
already went through what Wikinfo called an "image purge" or somesuch
a few years back.

Big problems with copyrights on photos. What you need is a fan who
took his/her own, and is willing to CC them. But how does one find
one?

Post by Will Dockery
<snip for brevity>
<snip>

Wikinfo is also good for more lower key entries that deserve write-ups
but for "notability" reasons won't pass Wikipedia as it is today.

I saw your page, and that looks very good. It was cute to see your
story about learning the guitar -- sounds like you anticipated Pete
Townsend by a few years. 8)
There has to be a way to internally link Wikinfo articles onto
Wikipedia; it can be done for the other-language wikis, and for
Wikisource. I think it's just a matter of learning the code. That
would do a lot to make the Wikinfo stuff more accessible, and that's
the big problem i can see; Wikinfo articles don't seem to even come up
in google searches (while the Wikipedia article is up near the top).
I'm going to look into that.

I think we already had a roundabout on that subject, PJR never seemed
to understand that Wikipedia articles are meant to be reposted freely.

Yes, I remember that. Sometimes (not often) when he starts complaining
about his "thefts" it's amusing; that was one of the times.

I'm interested in adding to Wiki Info.............

Help build it back up.............

Will Dockery

2019-06-17 02:50:05 UTC

Hopefully Zine Wiki will get back on track.

Rex Hunter Jr.

2019-06-22 04:42:48 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
Hopefully Zine Wiki will get back on track.

I know..........

Hope so...

Will-Dockery

2024-07-10 10:27:29 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, an
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercol

biograph

Post by Will Dockery
that faces deletion there
Proposed deletion of Gino Santercole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercol
The article Gino Santercole has been proposed for deletion becaus
under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons create
after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directl
supports material in the article
If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead
consider improving the article. For help on inserting references

Post by Will Dockery
Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners or ask at Wikipedia:Help desk
Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you ma

remov

Post by Will Dockery
the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless th

articl

Post by Will Dockery
is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days

Post by Will Dockery
article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undelete

whe

Post by Will Dockery
you are ready to add one. joe deckertalk to me 06:20, 8 May 201

(UTC

Post by Will Dockery
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia

reference

Post by Will Dockery
have been added. The original article can be found at
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercol
-
Music, poetry & video of Will Dockery & Friends
http://www.youtube.com/user/WDocker

George, 13 years ago and we both still cared about Wikipedia, seem
like ancient history now

This is a response to the post seen at
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=658844582#65884458

Will Dockery

2011-05-16 03:06:14 UTC

Post by Will Dockery
George, I know you've become an active editor at Wikipedia, and
thought you might enjoy a heads-up on the Gino Santercole biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole
Note: This article is a translation from Italian Wikipedia, references
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Santercole

Well, I sourced his birthdate on IMDb -- that's the only information
they had. But i don't think that saves it. This reads really badly --
I mean, it reads like a word-for-word translation done by machine.
I really don't know the guy, though I think I understand the story: he
was the first or a first Italian rock star. I'll try.

Yes, I saw that: the title was translated back to "This whole crazy
world", the line from the last verse. Thank you. I think I'll use that
for the intro.

<snip>

I notice that the GS piece is indeed looking pretty good. I'm hoping
to find a photo now that Wikipedia will allow to remain, you know
they're bad about deleting those also, right?

I had begun that but hadn't gotten very far yet...

Strange, somehow this riftt or feud was apparently kept pretty much
offline?

Yeah, and does this apply to articles being moved from Italian to
English on Wikipedia? It seems that Wikipedia accepts if not
encourages this, though?

Definitely more attention on the new articles. This deleted-in-10-days
red-banner stuff is only for articles published since I got active in
March (coincidentally 8).

Will Dockery

2011-06-27 12:31:45 UTC

George, I'm not sure if you're still working at Wikipedia nowadays,
but if so, I have another article up for "Speedy Deletion", which
really has notability & historical significance... if you're still at
Wikipedia & have time, you might find this interesting:

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]]
nomination of [[:Dick Campbell (singer-songwriter)]]==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left|alt=|link=]]
{{Quote box|quote=If this is the first article that you have
created, you may want to read [[WP:Your first article|the guide to
writing your first article]].You may want to consider using the
[[Wikipedia:Article wizard|Article Wizard]] to help you create
articles.|width=20%|align=right}}
A tag has been placed on [[:Dick Campbell (singer-songwriter)]]
requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been
done under [[WP:CSD#A7|section A7 of the criteria for speedy
deletion]], because the article appears to be about a band or
musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important
or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be
included in an encyclopedia. Under the [[WP:CSD#Articles|criteria for
speedy deletion]], such articles may be deleted at any time. Please
[[Wikipedia:Notability|see the guidelines for what is generally
accepted as notable]].

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the
deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest
this speedy deletion," which appears inside of the speedy deletion
(<code><nowiki>{{db-...}}</nowiki></code>) tag (if no such tag exists,
the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take
you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you
to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can
also visit the '''[[Talk:Dick Campbell (singer-songwriter)|the page's
talk page directly]]''' to give your reasons, but be aware that once
tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it
may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion
tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that
would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and
guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact
[[:Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of
deleted articles|one of these administrators]] to request that the
administrator [[Wikipedia:Userfication#Userfication_of_deleted_content|
userfy]] the page or email a copy to you.   [[User:Inks.LWC|
Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 08:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hello, I created this page on Dick Campbell with the intention of
posting what I had and then shaping it for Wikipedia standards, as far
as references and so on.

As far as notability, Dick Campbell is considered to be the ultimate
"New Dylan" or follower on the folk-rock bandwagon, as this site
explains: [http://www.scrammagazine.com/the-all-time-top-10-next-
dylans Top 10 Next Dylans]. Seems to be an important piece of cultural
history, maybe there's a sub-scetion in Wikipedia that already covers
this that this could be added to, if not a stand-alone piece?
[[User:Will Dockery|Will Dockery]] ([[User talk:Will Dockery#top|
talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

== Contested deletion ==

This page should not be speedy deleted because...

Albeit a "one-hit wonder" Dick Campbell's album ''Dick Campbell Sings
Where It’s At'' was notable for being (probably) the first Dylan copy,
and being influentual on others. Cambell also wrote nearly 400 songs
- also covered by others, and was a film producer. 
Please note I am '''not''' the original author, so other editors are
interested, I just tidied a few items as per MoS. 
Clearly the article needs more work, and I would not have made it
"live" in its current state. Unfortunately, I cannot spend more
time on it in the next 2-3 days. 
If a decision to delete it is made, please transfer to a sub-page of
my user page. Thanks. [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User
talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 09:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, Arjayay, the above reasons were among those that caused me to
percieve the importance, historically, and culturally, of the Dick
Campbell story. [[User:Will Dockery|Will Dockery]] ([[User talk:Will
Dockery|talk]]) 12:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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2011-06-27 12:38:08 UTC