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September Equinox / Will Dockery
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Will Dockery
2019-10-30 14:12:29 UTC
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Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Yes, I'm sure Corey knows about that
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 15:51:16 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Yes, I'm sure Corey knows about that
I remember reading "Tar Baby" in class from my first grade reader. A rabbit outsmarts a fox.

Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story, Willy?
Will Dockery
2019-10-30 16:05:54 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 16:17:10 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:05
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Exactly...............
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 16:50:14 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Why should I care what HRN thinks?

I asked you what you think, Will.

You do have some thoughts on the matter... don't you?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 17:02:19 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:50
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Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not..
Why should I care what HRN thinks
No reason, racist..........
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 17:38:37 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not..
Why should I care what HRN thinks
No reason, racist..........
Okay, Stink. How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox symbolically racist?

You can begin your argument by explaining which of the two characters represent which race.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-31 18:00:34 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
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How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels

*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]

Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-01 14:29:37 UTC
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[quote title=Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 18:00]Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
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How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels

*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]

Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************

HTH & HAND.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 17:05:48 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm

The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-01 17:58:15 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.

However, you and Stink claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.

I'm asking you how a story about a rabbit outsmarting a fox is racist.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 18:27:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.
However, you
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
I'm not a politically correct liberal, those are the ones saying the stories are racist.

You want to blame the messenger here.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-01 18:40:00 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
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Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.
However, you
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
I'm not a politically correct liberal, those are the ones saying the stories are racist.
You want to blame the messenger here.
You weren't assigned the job of messenger. You chose to deliver that message for some reason.

If you don't believe the story, or the Disney film, or (to get back on topic) the song in question are racist, then why did you bring it up at all?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 18:02:05 UTC
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I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-10-30 18:23:46 UTC
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I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-04 21:13:59 UTC
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Coco DeSockmonkey wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:23
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
You'll need to as a poltocally correct expert about that......
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:36:25 UTC
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Coco DeSockmonkey wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:23
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
You'll need to as a poltocally correct expert about that......
Drunk already, Stink?
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-04 23:51:14 UTC
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Zod wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:02
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I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
I'm surprised Corey hasn't chimed in on this one.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 18:28:14 UTC
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Good question, ask a politically correct liberal, they might have the answer for you...........
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 14:39:23 UTC
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Good question, ask a politically correct liberal, they might have the answer for you...........
White people have decided the niggers are offended so it must be true.
Zod The Mighty
2019-10-31 00:43:03 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for the nod, General Zod.
;)
N.P.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-31 04:13:20 UTC
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September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
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Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 15:16:19 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
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Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Thanks for reading and commenting.

;)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 02:23:56 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 15:16
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
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;)
Good evening Doc.....

I am busking downtown, if you are out and about.............
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 15:26:00 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
[color=blue
[/color]
Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Thanks for reading and commenting, my friends.

:)
General Zod
2019-10-31 23:45:37 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
ozarknotailsmanx wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 23:12
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Looks like another Google Groups glitch......
All of Will's poetry reads that way.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
;)
Ha ha ha......
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 00:15:17 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for the nod, General Zod.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 12:10:58 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for reading and commenting, General Zod.

:)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-01 12:30:34 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 12:10
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for reading and commenting, General Zod.
:)
Right on, Doc.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 19:12:36 UTC
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Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-01 19:50:16 UTC
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Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Better still, why point it out at all?

To further damage the reputation of a wonderful, uplifting song?

I saw "Song of the South" in a movie theater in the early 1970s. A few years later, Disney pulled it from circulation and locked it in the vaults. Apart from a bootleg copy which surfaced on the internet, it's been impossible to see ever since. Are you hoping to do further damage to the reputation of the film?

But we both know what this is really about.

You were unfamiliar with the song, so you googled it. You found a quote that the film it was introduced in is considered racist, and posted it as a troll (hoping that a flame war over the song would draw fire away from yourself).
Zod-The...@none.i2p
2019-11-01 20:00:11 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Better still, why point it out at all?
To further damage the reputation of a wonderful, uplifting song?
I saw "Song of the South" in a movie theater in the early 1970s. A few years later, Disney pulled it from circulation and locked it in the vaults. Apart from a bootleg copy which surfaced on the internet, it's been impossible to see ever since. Are you hoping to do further damage to the reputation of the film?
But we both know what this is really about.
You were unfamiliar with the song, so you googled it. You found a quote that the film it was introduced in is considered racist, and posted it as a troll (hoping that a flame war over the song would draw fire away from yourself).
You know Doc likes to start flame wars on his threads to keep them on top where the best stuff is. We don't care about jigaboos.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 20:07:49 UTC
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I feel it is worth pointing out.

;)
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-01 20:23:20 UTC
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I feel it is worth pointing out.
Why do you feel this?
General Zod
2019-11-01 21:18:23 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy

***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
General Zod
2019-11-04 07:29:33 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy

***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 14:26:26 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
The original Wikipedia quote you'd copied and pasted said that "Song of the South" contained "racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the 'Tar Baby.'" The *story* is a separate issue from either the dialect used or the film's failure to condemn southern plantation owners.

Are you now retracting your previous copy-and-paste in favor of your current copy-and-paste?
Will Dockery
2019-11-04 20:07:02 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:08:03 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting your original copy-and-paste charging that the *story* was racist, with this new one claiming that the dialect employed in the story is offensive?
Will Dockery
2019-11-04 21:21:25 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:40:07 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
No?

Then explain how the *story* is racist.

SYNOPSIS: Br'er Fox sculpts a baby out of tar in order to trap Br'er Rabbit. When Br'er Rabbit sees the "baby," he attempts to help it and gets stuck to it. Once he's stuck, Br'er Fox prepares to eat him. But Br'er Rabbit convinces Br'er Fox to cook him first. The heat melts the tar and Br'er Rabbit escapes.

What portion of the above synopsis is racist?
General Zod
2019-11-05 00:38:32 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
No?
Then explain how the *story* is racist.
SYNOPSIS: Br'er Fox sculpts a baby out of tar in order to trap Br'er Rabbit. When Br'er Rabbit sees the "baby," he attempts to help it and gets stuck to it. Once he's stuck, Br'er Fox prepares to eat him. But Br'er Rabbit convinces Br'er Fox to cook him first. The heat melts the tar and Br'er Rabbit escapes.
What portion of the above synopsis is racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg

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Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.

Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.

This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948).

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Will Dockery
2019-11-04 22:51:30 UTC
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Argue about it with the politically correct liberals, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-05 03:55:09 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Argue about it with the politically correct liberals, Pendragon.
You're the one who brought it up, Will.

Either you think the story is racist, or you don't.

I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 03:59:57 UTC
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I still like Al Jolson, and the same liberals consider his act racist now, as well.
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-05 04:49:00 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
I still like Al Jolson, and the same liberals consider his act racist now, as well.
That's nice, Will.

Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?

Yes or no?
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 05:40:20 UTC
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Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 07:45:01 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 14:51:13 UTC
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Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 07:45
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
That defines his agenda.....
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 06:01:05 UTC
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Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 07:45
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
Proudly so, in fact.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-05 13:26:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.

I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 20:39:44 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.

My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.

;)
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 00:17:44 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.
My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.
That's mighty white of you, Will.

But I'm not asking you to use any offensive words. I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist.
General Zod
2019-11-06 00:29:20 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes

********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************

You missed this I think.......................
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 01:32:22 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes
********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
You missed this I think.......................
First, I'm not interested in what Wikipedia says. I asked you for *your* opinion.

Second, there was no blackface depicted in "Tar Baby"; no actor wearing blackface in "Song of the South"; and to the best of my knowledge no one who recorded "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" performed it in blackface.
General Zod
2019-11-06 01:41:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes
********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
You missed this I think.......................
First, I'm not interested in what Wikipedia says. I asked you for *your* opinion
I have given my opinion on this many, many, many times......
Zod The Mighty
2019-11-06 02:00:01 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.
My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.
;)
I remember that was on the "Lisa's Amigo" poem......
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 22:34:14 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote:
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:49:01 PM UTC-5, Michelangelo Scarlotti wrote:[/color]
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes

********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-08 17:28:44 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."

What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-08 21:26:58 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
General Zod
2019-11-08 22:32:15 UTC
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Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-13/trump-voters-racism-politics-white-supremacy

************** President Trump’s..... blatant racism and even of being a white supremacist, as Elizabeth Warren and Beto O’Rourke recently did. Trump is not performing as a Klan grand wizard. Instead, he speaks in thinly coded terms to his base*******************

And hundreds more on the topic.......

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS776US776&oq=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.10431j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"trump supporters" + "racist"
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-09 04:28:42 UTC
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Post by General Zod
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-13/trump-voters-racism-politics-white-supremacy
************** President Trump’s..... blatant racism and even of being a white supremacist, as Elizabeth Warren and Beto O’Rourke recently did. Trump is not performing as a Klan grand wizard. Instead, he speaks in thinly coded terms to his base*******************
And hundreds more on the topic.......
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS776US776&oq=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.10431j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"trump supporters" + "racist"
And what do these hundreds of results mean to you?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 03:41:16 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-10 04:20:42 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Do you find it to be racist, Stink?
General Zod
2019-11-10 05:12:48 UTC
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Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Do you find it to be racist
Since you are a gay laming misogynist liar, I would not be surprised to fi8n out that you are a Trump slurping racist in addition...…

Ha ha ha....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 04:06:47 UTC
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And Amos & Andy.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-06 03:13:56 UTC
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Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 04:50:43 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here believes that, Will.

But that wasn't my question.

Do you not understand what I've asked you half a dozen times now?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 04:53:29 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 04:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You mean you and the other troll scumbags...?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 13:32:17 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 04:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You mean you and the other troll scumbags...?
I certainly don't believe it. Do you?
General Zod
2019-11-07 00:41:32 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You are a fuckfaced idiot..... believe it...!
Frosty
2019-11-06 14:58:39 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.

pizza anyone
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:07:28 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
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In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk

Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Frosty
2019-11-06 15:11:09 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
[/color]
In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Have you taken your morning shit yet, Lady Bunny? Remember, the 'gizmo' is not paper....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:19:26 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 15:11
Post by Frosty
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
[/color]
In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Have you taken
Not your business, you senile old fuckhead......

Ha ha ha....
Me
2019-11-06 15:25:58 UTC
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Post by Frosty
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.
pizza anyone
Pissbum wont answer your question. He runs and deflects from his misogynistic writings.
He’s just a pussy.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:36:32 UTC
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Me[9
wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 15:25]misogynistic writings.
Pendragon's attacks on Sandy and Nelly...?

Yes, he is quite the fuckhead.....
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 19:00:17 UTC
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Post by Frosty
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.
pizza anyone
Unfortunately, "Truck Stop Woman," like all of Will's poetry, is based on his own life experiences. Will has admitted on numerous occasions that both he and Stink treat women like sexual commodities -- buying sexual services from them at bargain basement prices.
Will Dockery
2019-11-06 22:33:22 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
"Truck Stop Woman," like all of Will's poetry, is based on his own life
"Do not mistake the speaker in the poem with the writer of the poem."
-Karla K. Rogers
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 22:58:26 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 03:13
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Seems easy enough to understand........
General Zod
2019-11-08 00:47:58 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Obvious....
Will Dockery
2019-11-09 08:10:04 UTC
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Post by General Zod
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Obvious....
Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-08 02:07:33 UTC
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Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.

;)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-08 09:33:17 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Fri, 08 November 2019 02:07
Post by Will Dockery
Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.
;)
Quite cogent.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-08 07:53:28 UTC
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September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Nice poem reminds me of Robert Frost.
Thanks for reading and commenting.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 04:27:01 UTC
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Do you find John Wayne to be racist, Pendragon?

😉
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-10 04:42:37 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Do you find John Wayne to be racist, Pendragon?
I wouldn't judge him so based solely on that out of context quote.

What did you find to be racist about it?
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 04:45:34 UTC
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How was it out of context?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-10 06:41:52 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
How was it out of context?
Did you post the *entire interview*?

Did you post the questions leading up to it?

When you just post the answer to one question in an interview, you're posting it out of context.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 06:45:02 UTC
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Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
George J. Dance
2019-11-10 14:20:57 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 14:30:32 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
Here's the full quote, according to Snopes:

=========================================================

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

It first appeared in an interview with Playboy magazine that was published in May 1971:

John Wayne was responding to a question about Angela Davis, a counter-culture activist, communist, and professor in San Francisco:

Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?

Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.

When asked about his own hiring practices, Wayne said that while he did not discriminate against black actors or crew members, he didn’t seek them out either:

PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?

WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.

PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?

WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.

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Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 15:47:11 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 14:30
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she's black. Do you think that's true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn't it true that we're never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can't play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.
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Looks like John Wayne did say it, then.....

Will Dockery
2019-11-10 15:10:50 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
John Wayne was rather harsh on Native Americans, as well:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/

PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?

JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
ME
2019-11-10 15:14:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
The question posed to you was about your thoughts and opinion on racism in the above mentioned works.
I was right. You really can’t express an original thought.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 15:38:14 UTC
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Post by ME
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
Yes, George Dance did.

;)
ME
2019-11-10 15:44:25 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by ME
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
Yes, George Dance did.
;)
Dunce’s post was in deflection of your inability to actually answer a simple question. Do you believe that the referenced material was racially biased. What is your opinion? That was the initial question.
Do you have an opinion?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 07:25:58 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 06:41
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
How was it out of context?
Did you post the *entire interview*?
Did you post the questions leading up to it?
When you just post the answer to one question in an interview, you're posting it out of context.
John Wayne did sound racist, Pendragon, ya must admit.....
ME
2019-11-10 15:05:03 UTC
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I see no problem with debating such things,
or with the opinionated folks who engage in
such activities, like students, legislators, etc.
You're even allowed to express an opinion,
if you have one that you can put into words.
No, I'm actually here for the poetry.
;)
Bwahahahaha
Talk about deflection......
Pissbum couldn't even commit to an opinion on racism.
He was too afraid of actually having to debate his understanding of it.
Such a little pussy.
I see no problem with debating such things,
or with the opinionated folks who engage in
such activities, like students, legislators, etc.
You're even allowed to express an opinion,
if you have one that you can put into words.
No, I'm actually here for the poetry.
;)
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 15:07:33 UTC
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LOL
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