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Will Dockery
2019-10-30 14:12:29 UTC
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Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Yes, I'm sure Corey knows about that
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 15:51:16 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine headin' my way.
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
*****************
Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Yes, I'm sure Corey knows about that
I remember reading "Tar Baby" in class from my first grade reader. A rabbit outsmarts a fox.

Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story, Willy?
Will Dockery
2019-10-30 16:05:54 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 16:17:10 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:05
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Exactly...............
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 16:50:14 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not.
Why should I care what HRN thinks?

I asked you what you think, Will.

You do have some thoughts on the matter... don't you?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 17:02:19 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
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Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not..
Why should I care what HRN thinks
No reason, racist..........
Michael Pendragon
2019-10-30 17:38:37 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 16:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Michael Pendragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg
*****************
Human Rights Network
Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.
Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.
This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948)******************
Do you see any undeniable racist symbolism in the story
It isn't what you or I think that's the question, it is what folks like the Human Rights Network have decided it politically correct and what is not..
Why should I care what HRN thinks
No reason, racist..........
Okay, Stink. How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox symbolically racist?

You can begin your argument by explaining which of the two characters represent which race.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-31 18:00:34 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
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How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels

*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]

Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-01 14:29:37 UTC
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[quote title=Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 18:00]Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels

*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]

Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************

HTH & HAND.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 17:05:48 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm

The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-01 17:58:15 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.

However, you and Stink claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.

I'm asking you how a story about a rabbit outsmarting a fox is racist.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 18:27:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.
However, you
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
I'm not a politically correct liberal, those are the ones saying the stories are racist.

You want to blame the messenger here.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-01 18:40:00 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.
However, you
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
I'm not a politically correct liberal, those are the ones saying the stories are racist.
You want to blame the messenger here.
You weren't assigned the job of messenger. You chose to deliver that message for some reason.

If you don't believe the story, or the Disney film, or (to get back on topic) the song in question are racist, then why did you bring it up at all?
Peter J Ross
2019-11-14 17:23:25 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Will Dockery
I'm not a politically correct liberal
During my recent absence, Dreckery (the well-known racist, misogynist
and homophobe) seems to have learnt the art of understatement.
--
PJR :-)

Simia quam similis turpissima bestia nobis!
- Ennius
Peter J Ross
2019-11-14 17:19:02 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:58:15 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually coe from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
That's nice, Will.
However, you and Stink claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
I'm asking you how a story about a rabbit outsmarting a fox is racist.
It's alopecophobic!
--
PJR :-)

Simia quam similis turpissima bestia nobis!
- Ennius
G***@none.i2p
2019-11-15 06:50:46 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38[/color
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually come from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
[/color]
Well, that interpretation does exist.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#Racist_interpretation

**************Racist interpretation
Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider tar baby to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[17] The Oxford English Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[18] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)"******************
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-15 13:52:43 UTC
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Post by G***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38[/color
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually come from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
[/color]
Well, that interpretation does exist.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#Racist_interpretation
**************Racist interpretation
Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider tar baby to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[17] The Oxford English Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[18] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)"******************
1) A term is not equivalent to an interpretation. Learn to use your words properly.

2) That a term ("Tar Baby") has come to be used as a derogatory term for African Americans does not mean that the *story* can therefore be interpreted along racist lines.

3) The derogatory application of the term ("Tar Baby"), was derived from the story -- not the other way around. When the story was first written, there were no racist connotations for "Tar Baby."

4) The derogatory application did not stem from any events in the story's narrative, but from the "Tar Baby" being black in color.

5) "Tar Baby" was first published in 1881, but may have existed as a folk tale long before its publication. The derogatory application only came into use in 2006, when it was used by Mitt Romney to refer to a proposed Boston highway, and by Tony Snow to refer to a sticky situation that it is difficult to break free of. As per usual in politics, the opposition jumped on the opportunity to play the race card.
Will Dockery
2019-11-15 14:01:50 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by G***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38[/color
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually come from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
[/color]
Well, that interpretation does exist.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#Racist_interpretation
**************Racist interpretation
Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider tar baby to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[17] The Oxford English Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[18] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)"******************
1) A term is not equivalent to an interpretation. Learn to use your words properly.
2) That a term ("Tar Baby") has come to be used as a derogatory term for African Americans does not mean that the *story* can therefore be interpreted along racist lines.
3) The derogatory application of the term ("Tar Baby"), was derived from the story -- not the other way around. When the story was first written, there were no racist connotations for "Tar Baby."
4) The derogatory application did not stem from any events in the story's narrative, but from the "Tar Baby" being black in color.
5) "Tar Baby" was first published in 1881, but may have existed as a folk tale long before its publication. The derogatory application only came into use in 2006, when it was used by Mitt Romney to refer to a proposed Boston highway, and by Tony Snow to refer to a sticky situation that it is difficult to break free of. As per usual in politics, the opposition jumped on the opportunity to play the race card.
I have no arguments at this time.

;)
ME
2019-11-15 15:06:03 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38[/color
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually come from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
[/color]
Well, that interpretation does exist.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#Racist_interpretation
**************Racist interpretation
Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider tar baby to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[17] The Oxford English Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[18] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)"******************
1) A term is not equivalent to an interpretation. Learn to use your words properly.
2) That a term ("Tar Baby") has come to be used as a derogatory term for African Americans does not mean that the *story* can therefore be interpreted along racist lines.
3) The derogatory application of the term ("Tar Baby"), was derived from the story -- not the other way around. When the story was first written, there were no racist connotations for "Tar Baby."
4) The derogatory application did not stem from any events in the story's narrative, but from the "Tar Baby" being black in color.
5) "Tar Baby" was first published in 1881, but may have existed as a folk tale long before its publication. The derogatory application only came into use in 2006, when it was used by Mitt Romney to refer to a proposed Boston highway, and by Tony Snow to refer to a sticky situation that it is difficult to break free of. As per usual in politics, the opposition jumped on the opportunity to play the race card.
I have no arguments at this time.
If you felt inclined to give your opinion on what was posted, why add “at this time”? Is your opinion or agreement with the post going to change for some reason?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-15 15:23:39 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 17:38[/color
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How is a folk tale about a rabbit outsmarting a fox
Again,of great interest is that the stories actually come from Native American Cherokee mythology.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit#Cherokee_parallels
*****************the Br'er Rabbit cycle had been recorded earlier among the Cherokees: The "tar baby" story was printed in an 1845 edition of the Cherokee Advocate, the same year Joel Chandler Harris was born.[12]
Rabbit and Hare myths abound among Algonquin Indians in Eastern North America, particularly under the name Nanabozho. The Great Hare is generally worshipped among tribes in eastern Canada***************************
HTH & HAND.
http://www.native-languages.org/creek-legends.htm
The Rabbit is also the trickster figure in the folklore of the Creek and other Muskogean tribes.
claim that "Tar Baby" is a racist story.
[/color]
Well, that interpretation does exist.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby#Racist_interpretation
**************Racist interpretation
Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider tar baby to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[17] The Oxford English Dictionary defines tar baby as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[18] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)"******************
1) A term is not equivalent to an interpretation. Learn to use your words properly.
2) That a term ("Tar Baby") has come to be used as a derogatory term for African Americans does not mean that the *story* can therefore be interpreted along racist lines.
3) The derogatory application of the term ("Tar Baby"), was derived from the story -- not the other way around. When the story was first written, there were no racist connotations for "Tar Baby."
4) The derogatory application did not stem from any events in the story's narrative, but from the "Tar Baby" being black in color.
5) "Tar Baby" was first published in 1881, but may have existed as a folk tale long before its publication. The derogatory application only came into use in 2006, when it was used by Mitt Romney to refer to a proposed Boston highway, and by Tony Snow to refer to a sticky situation that it is difficult to break free of. As per usual in politics, the opposition jumped on the opportunity to play the race card.
I have no arguments at this time.
If you felt inclined to give your opinion on what was posted, why add “at this time”? Is your opinion or agreement with the post going to change for some reason?
Will's opinion is subject to change based on the results of additional Google searches for "Tar Baby" + "racist."

As per usual.

Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 18:02:05 UTC
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I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-10-30 18:23:46 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-04 21:13:59 UTC
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Coco DeSockmonkey wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:23
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
You'll need to as a poltocally correct expert about that......
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:36:25 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Coco DeSockmonkey wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:23
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
Is Br'er Rabbit meant to represent African Americans and Br'er Fox to represent Caucasians? Or vice-versa?
You'll need to as a poltocally correct expert about that......
Drunk already, Stink?
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-04 23:51:14 UTC
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Zod wrote on Wed, 30 October 2019 18:02
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I'm not the politically correct one here, but in modern times many things of the past are now offensive to blacks and other minority races.....
I'm surprised Corey hasn't chimed in on this one.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-30 18:28:14 UTC
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Good question, ask a politically correct liberal, they might have the answer for you...........
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 14:39:23 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Good question, ask a politically correct liberal, they might have the answer for you...........
White people have decided the niggers are offended so it must be true.
Zod The Mighty
2019-10-31 00:43:03 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for the nod, General Zod.
;)
N.P.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-10-31 04:13:20 UTC
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September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
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Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 15:16:19 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
[color=blue
[/color]
Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Thanks for reading and commenting.

;)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 02:23:56 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 15:16
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
[color=blue]>
;)
Good evening Doc.....

I am busking downtown, if you are out and about.............
Will Dockery
2019-10-31 15:26:00 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
[color=blue
[/color]
Nice!!!
Seconded...!!
Thanks for reading and commenting, my friends.

:)
General Zod
2019-10-31 23:45:37 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
ozarknotailsmanx wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 23:12
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Looks like another Google Groups glitch......
All of Will's poetry reads that way.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
;)
Ha ha ha......
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 00:15:17 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for the nod, General Zod.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 12:10:58 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for reading and commenting, General Zod.

:)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-01 12:30:34 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 12:10
Post by Will Dockery
Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 21:31
September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Good poem....
Thanks for reading and commenting, General Zod.
:)
Right on, Doc.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 19:12:36 UTC
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Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-01 19:50:16 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Better still, why point it out at all?

To further damage the reputation of a wonderful, uplifting song?

I saw "Song of the South" in a movie theater in the early 1970s. A few years later, Disney pulled it from circulation and locked it in the vaults. Apart from a bootleg copy which surfaced on the internet, it's been impossible to see ever since. Are you hoping to do further damage to the reputation of the film?

But we both know what this is really about.

You were unfamiliar with the song, so you googled it. You found a quote that the film it was introduced in is considered racist, and posted it as a troll (hoping that a flame war over the song would draw fire away from yourself).
Zod-The...@none.i2p
2019-11-01 20:00:11 UTC
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Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Post by Will Dockery
Why not point out that the material is now considered racist?
Better still, why point it out at all?
To further damage the reputation of a wonderful, uplifting song?
I saw "Song of the South" in a movie theater in the early 1970s. A few years later, Disney pulled it from circulation and locked it in the vaults. Apart from a bootleg copy which surfaced on the internet, it's been impossible to see ever since. Are you hoping to do further damage to the reputation of the film?
But we both know what this is really about.
You were unfamiliar with the song, so you googled it. You found a quote that the film it was introduced in is considered racist, and posted it as a troll (hoping that a flame war over the song would draw fire away from yourself).
You know Doc likes to start flame wars on his threads to keep them on top where the best stuff is. We don't care about jigaboos.
Will Dockery
2019-11-01 20:07:49 UTC
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I feel it is worth pointing out.

;)
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-01 20:23:20 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
I feel it is worth pointing out.
Why do you feel this?
General Zod
2019-11-01 21:18:23 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy

***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
General Zod
2019-11-04 07:29:33 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy

***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 14:26:26 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
The original Wikipedia quote you'd copied and pasted said that "Song of the South" contained "racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the 'Tar Baby.'" The *story* is a separate issue from either the dialect used or the film's failure to condemn southern plantation owners.

Are you now retracting your previous copy-and-paste in favor of your current copy-and-paste?
Will Dockery
2019-11-04 20:07:02 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:08:03 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting your original copy-and-paste charging that the *story* was racist, with this new one claiming that the dialect employed in the story is offensive?
Will Dockery
2019-11-04 21:21:25 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-04 21:40:07 UTC
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Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
No?

Then explain how the *story* is racist.

SYNOPSIS: Br'er Fox sculpts a baby out of tar in order to trap Br'er Rabbit. When Br'er Rabbit sees the "baby," he attempts to help it and gets stuck to it. Once he's stuck, Br'er Fox prepares to eat him. But Br'er Rabbit convinces Br'er Fox to cook him first. The heat melts the tar and Br'er Rabbit escapes.

What portion of the above synopsis is racist?
General Zod
2019-11-05 00:38:32 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by General Zod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus#Controversy_and_legacy
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by General Zod
***********The animal stories were conveyed in such a manner that they were not seen as racist by many among the audience of the time. By the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the narrator's "old uncle" were considered a demeaning stereotype by some black Americans, reflecting what they considered to be racist and patronizing attitudes. There is additional controversy in the stories' setting, a former slave-owning plantation that is portrayed in a passive manner************************
Yes, times change, and many people are hurt and offended by the depictions.
So your retracting
I don't see anything that needs to be retracted.
No?
Then explain how the *story* is racist.
SYNOPSIS: Br'er Fox sculpts a baby out of tar in order to trap Br'er Rabbit. When Br'er Rabbit sees the "baby," he attempts to help it and gets stuck to it. Once he's stuck, Br'er Fox prepares to eat him. But Br'er Rabbit convinces Br'er Fox to cook him first. The heat melts the tar and Br'er Rabbit escapes.
What portion of the above synopsis is racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzf277YVMyg

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Song of the South is the movie that Disney would like to forget. Everyone knows the tune Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, but few realize that this "song" is central to this embarrassingly racist celebration of the slave society of the American South prior to the Civil War.

Along with Uncle Remus, the film features such racially charged elements as the story of Br'er Rabbit and the "Tar Baby". Some have defended the latter as a story told by American slaves with its origins in African folk culture. But there is no denying that both the term and the symbolism of the story had intensely racist meaning in the context of the American South.

This original movie review was created by students at academic institutions affiliated with the Human Rights Network (HRN). All HRN content has been created for educational purposes within applicable fair use guidelines in order to spread respect for the universal human rights principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (United Nations 1948).

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Will Dockery
2019-11-04 22:51:30 UTC
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Argue about it with the politically correct liberals, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-05 03:55:09 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Argue about it with the politically correct liberals, Pendragon.
You're the one who brought it up, Will.

Either you think the story is racist, or you don't.

I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 03:59:57 UTC
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I still like Al Jolson, and the same liberals consider his act racist now, as well.
Michelangelo Scarlotti
2019-11-05 04:49:00 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
I still like Al Jolson, and the same liberals consider his act racist now, as well.
That's nice, Will.

Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?

Yes or no?
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 05:40:20 UTC
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Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 07:45:01 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 14:51:13 UTC
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Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 07:45
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
That defines his agenda.....
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 06:01:05 UTC
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Zod-The-Mighty wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 07:45
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 05:40
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
Exactly..... Pendragon is against liberalism, being the Trump slurper that he is.....
Proudly so, in fact.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-05 13:26:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.

I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Will Dockery
2019-11-05 20:39:44 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.

My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.

;)
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 00:17:44 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.
My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.
That's mighty white of you, Will.

But I'm not asking you to use any offensive words. I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist.
General Zod
2019-11-06 00:29:20 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes

********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************

You missed this I think.......................
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 01:32:22 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes
********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
You missed this I think.......................
First, I'm not interested in what Wikipedia says. I asked you for *your* opinion.

Second, there was no blackface depicted in "Tar Baby"; no actor wearing blackface in "Song of the South"; and to the best of my knowledge no one who recorded "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" performed it in blackface.
General Zod
2019-11-06 01:41:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm asking if you find "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah" racist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes
********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
You missed this I think.......................
First, I'm not interested in what Wikipedia says. I asked you for *your* opinion
I have given my opinion on this many, many, many times......
Zod The Mighty
2019-11-06 02:00:01 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think the word "swarthy" is racist? I was grilled for weeks here by PJR and Corey just for using that one word.
My stance lately is if it can offend someone or a group of people, I will consider avoiding the word or words.
;)
I remember that was on the "Lisa's Amigo" poem......
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 22:34:14 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote:
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Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface#Racist_archetypes

********************* In the United States, blackface had largely fallen out of favor by the turn of the 21st century, and is now generally considered offensive and disrespectful,[4] though the practice continues in other countries**************
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-08 17:28:44 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."

What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-08 21:26:58 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
General Zod
2019-11-08 22:32:15 UTC
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Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-13/trump-voters-racism-politics-white-supremacy

************** President Trump’s..... blatant racism and even of being a white supremacist, as Elizabeth Warren and Beto O’Rourke recently did. Trump is not performing as a Klan grand wizard. Instead, he speaks in thinly coded terms to his base*******************

And hundreds more on the topic.......

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS776US776&oq=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.10431j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"trump supporters" + "racist"
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-09 04:28:42 UTC
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Post by General Zod
Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that, Will.
I'm asking if *you* consider it racist.
Do you think it is racist, Pendragon..."
What part of the following did you not understand, Stink?
Post by Z***@none.i2p
I don't think the "Tar Baby" story is racist; nor do I think that "Song of the South" is racist; and I most certainly don't consider "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be a racist song.
What does the average Trump supporter think of it...?
I doubt that they've ever been polled on the subject.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-13/trump-voters-racism-politics-white-supremacy
************** President Trump’s..... blatant racism and even of being a white supremacist, as Elizabeth Warren and Beto O’Rourke recently did. Trump is not performing as a Klan grand wizard. Instead, he speaks in thinly coded terms to his base*******************
And hundreds more on the topic.......
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS776US776&oq=%22trump+supporters%22+%22racist%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.10431j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"trump supporters" + "racist"
And what do these hundreds of results mean to you?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 03:41:16 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-10 04:20:42 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 13:26
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Do you find it to be racist, Stink?
General Zod
2019-11-10 05:12:48 UTC
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Post by Coco DeSockmonkey
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michelangelo Scarlotti
Do you consider "Tar Baby," "Song of the South" or "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" to be racist?
By today's politically correct standards, it is considered racist.
No one is disputing that
Then why not shut the fuck up with your fuckedfaced whining, Pendragon....?
Do you find it to be racist
Since you are a gay laming misogynist liar, I would not be surprised to fi8n out that you are a Trump slurping racist in addition...…

Ha ha ha....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-05 04:06:47 UTC
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And Amos & Andy.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-06 03:13:56 UTC
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Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 04:50:43 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here believes that, Will.

But that wasn't my question.

Do you not understand what I've asked you half a dozen times now?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 04:53:29 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 04:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You mean you and the other troll scumbags...?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 13:32:17 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 04:50
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You mean you and the other troll scumbags...?
I certainly don't believe it. Do you?
General Zod
2019-11-07 00:41:32 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
I doubt that anyone here
You are a fuckfaced idiot..... believe it...!
Frosty
2019-11-06 14:58:39 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.

pizza anyone
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:07:28 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
[/color]
In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk

Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Frosty
2019-11-06 15:11:09 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
[/color]
In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Have you taken your morning shit yet, Lady Bunny? Remember, the 'gizmo' is not paper....
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:19:26 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 15:11
Post by Frosty
Post by Z***@none.i2p
Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 14:58
[/color]
In 'Truck Stop Woman'
A great Country song......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiuONOUeFk
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars...!
Have you taken
Not your business, you senile old fuckhead......

Ha ha ha....
Me
2019-11-06 15:25:58 UTC
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Post by Frosty
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.
pizza anyone
Pissbum wont answer your question. He runs and deflects from his misogynistic writings.
He’s just a pussy.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 15:36:32 UTC
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Me[9
wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 15:25]misogynistic writings.
Pendragon's attacks on Sandy and Nelly...?

Yes, he is quite the fuckhead.....
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-06 19:00:17 UTC
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Post by Frosty
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
In 'Truck Stop Woman' a scene where you are walking out of the woods, zipping up you fly as you follow the ho....what does that depict? You as a 'fuck em where you find em' Does it depict women are to be used..tell us about that scene and why was it added...there is also some black dude, seemingly addressing the ho in a rather tense moment...what does that scene depict...pimp and whore? Do you believe there are 'truck stop men' you could do your 'giggle' scene. Hobbs might not chuckle, but what the fuck.
pizza anyone
Unfortunately, "Truck Stop Woman," like all of Will's poetry, is based on his own life experiences. Will has admitted on numerous occasions that both he and Stink treat women like sexual commodities -- buying sexual services from them at bargain basement prices.
Will Dockery
2019-11-06 22:33:22 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
"Truck Stop Woman," like all of Will's poetry, is based on his own life
"Do not mistake the speaker in the poem with the writer of the poem."
-Karla K. Rogers
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-06 22:58:26 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 03:13
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Seems easy enough to understand........
General Zod
2019-11-08 00:47:58 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Obvious....
Will Dockery
2019-11-09 08:10:04 UTC
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Post by General Zod
Post by Will Dockery
Well, to answer your question, I don't believe racist depictions are acceptable, Pendragon.
Obvious....
Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-08 02:07:33 UTC
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Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.

;)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-08 09:33:17 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Fri, 08 November 2019 02:07
Post by Will Dockery
Yes, it seems simple enough to understand.
;)
Quite cogent.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-08 07:53:28 UTC
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September Equinox
Summer held on this year,
put up some kind of a fight.
But Fall will not be denied,
it creeps in
under cover of the night.
It feels great late
Feeling all right.
-Will Dockery
Nice poem reminds me of Robert Frost.
Thanks for reading and commenting.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 04:27:01 UTC
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Do you find John Wayne to be racist, Pendragon?

😉
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-11-10 04:42:37 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Do you find John Wayne to be racist, Pendragon?
I wouldn't judge him so based solely on that out of context quote.

What did you find to be racist about it?
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 04:45:34 UTC
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How was it out of context?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-10 06:41:52 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
How was it out of context?
Did you post the *entire interview*?

Did you post the questions leading up to it?

When you just post the answer to one question in an interview, you're posting it out of context.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 06:45:02 UTC
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Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
George J. Dance
2019-11-10 14:20:57 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 14:30:32 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
Here's the full quote, according to Snopes:

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

It first appeared in an interview with Playboy magazine that was published in May 1971:

John Wayne was responding to a question about Angela Davis, a counter-culture activist, communist, and professor in San Francisco:

Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?

Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.

When asked about his own hiring practices, Wayne said that while he did not discriminate against black actors or crew members, he didn’t seek them out either:

PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?

WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.

PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?

WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.

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Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 15:47:11 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 14:30
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she's black. Do you think that's true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn't it true that we're never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can't play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.
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Looks like John Wayne did say it, then.....
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 15:59:31 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 14:30
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
=========================================================
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she's black. Do you think that's true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn't it true that we're never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can't play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.
============================================================
Looks like John Wayne did say it, then.....
Yes, I love John Wayne's movies, but as a person he's a bit of a putz.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 16:19:55 UTC
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As a person, John Wayne died forty years ago.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-10 17:50:39 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
It sounds much less racist in context, doesn't it.

Wayne is discussing a specific black college professor (a Communist) who was claiming racial discrimination. He doesn't feel that Angela Davis is responsible enough to be a in a teaching position, and he doesn't think that we should give her a pass on the grounds that she's black.

The only part of his statement that sounds racist today is the final line where he generalizes about education and responsibility.

Note the follow-up question by PLAYBOY: "But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?"

It seems that the general consensus at the time was that minority groups were not receiving adequate educations. If so, Wayne's statement is merely pragmatic. In politically correct speak, he's saying that "Until the disadvantages in the American education system have been rectified and minorities receive an equal degree of education, they would lack the requisite skills for positions of authority."

I sincerely doubt that John Wayne would have had any objections to Barack Obama's Presidency; as President Obama is well-educated and made responsible decisions during his stay at the White House.

On a negative note, Wayne's statement does, however, tend too reinforce the unfair educational system in that it allows for the perpetuation of an unfair educational system -- but only if one adopts a "them" vs "us" mentality: i.e., blacks cannot hold office until they receive educations commensurate to those of caucasians... but since only a black politician would institute such reforms, blacks will never receive such educations.

In Wayne's defense, he believed that nowhere "in the world [did blacks] have [a better chance of receiving an equal education] than right here in America." That is, Wayne believed that white politicians were instituting such reforms and that political and social equality would come about.

Again, we need to consider this within the socio-political context of its time: Wayne's view is fairly liberal considering that in 1971 the Equal Rights Amendment had not yet been passed.
Dental River
2019-11-10 18:54:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
=========================================================
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
It sounds much less racist in context, doesn't it.
Wayne is discussing a specific black college professor (a Communist) who was claiming racial discrimination. He doesn't feel that Angela Davis is responsible enough to be a in a teaching position, and he doesn't think that we should give her a pass on the grounds that she's black.
The only part of his statement that sounds racist today is the final line where he generalizes about education and responsibility.
Note the follow-up question by PLAYBOY: "But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?"
It seems that the general consensus at the time was that minority groups were not receiving adequate educations. If so, Wayne's statement is merely pragmatic. In politically correct speak, he's saying that "Until the disadvantages in the American education system have been rectified and minorities receive an equal degree of education, they would lack the requisite skills for positions of authority."
I sincerely doubt that John Wayne would have had any objections to Barack Obama's Presidency; as President Obama is well-educated and made responsible decisions during his stay at the White House.
Imagine what the ruling of the mob would have been if this conservative figure had simply objected to Obama's ministration of the office. It's easier for many people to synthesize outrage from half-understood statements than to be redirected by the larger point.
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On a negative note, Wayne's statement does, however, tend too reinforce the unfair educational system in that it allows for the perpetuation of an unfair educational system -- but only if one adopts a "them" vs "us" mentality: i.e., blacks cannot hold office until they receive educations commensurate to those of caucasians...
The conundrum is that equality issues are difficult to address unless 'us and "them" are identified first. The quality of the effort involved was not Wayne's cross to bear. He was pointing out in his way that separating the interests of a true meritocracy from public sentiment would be difficult, but made the goal itelf perfectly clear.

...but since only a black politician would institute such reforms, blacks will never receive such educations.

It was an unfortunate view that sold short everybody's ability to outgrow racial partisanship in favor of a greater good. But recently, that view has been vindicated. The public discourse has taken a giant step backward.
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In Wayne's defense, he believed that nowhere "in the world [did blacks] have [a better chance of receiving an equal education] than right here in America." That is, Wayne believed that white politicians were instituting such reforms and that political and social equality would come about.
Again, we need to consider this within the socio-political context of its time: Wayne's view is fairly liberal considering that in 1971 the Equal Rights Amendment had not yet been passed.
Whatever efforts have since been made to legislate morality are not material to Wayne's choice to excercise his better instincts. He deserves more credit than to be praised just in the context of the times.
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He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
I sincerely doubt that John Wayne would have had any objections to Barack Obama's Presidency; as President Obama is well-educated and made responsible decisions during his stay at the White House.
Imagine what the ruling of the mob would have been if this conservative figure had simply objected to Obama's ministration of the office. It's easier for many people to synthesize outrage from half-understood statements than to be redirected by the larger point.
Sure, a man who has made racist comments will, or should be remembered in later generations.
Michael Pendragon
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Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
I sincerely doubt that John Wayne would have had any objections to Barack Obama's Presidency; as President Obama is well-educated and made responsible decisions during his stay at the White House.
Imagine what the ruling of the mob would have been if this conservative figure had simply objected to Obama's ministration of the office. It's easier for many people to synthesize outrage from half-understood statements than to be redirected by the larger point.
Sure, a man who has made racist comments will, or should be remembered in later generations.
What do you find racist about his comments, Will?
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 06:27:51 UTC
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What do you find racist about his comments, Will?
A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/

JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-11 14:00:37 UTC
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What do you find racist about his comments, Will?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Why are you bringing in new material? I'd asked you if you found anything in the previous quotes you'd posted racist.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 14:05:24 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
You are reacting to an interview he did in the 1970’s. And, since you live in the Deep South, I’m sure that wasn’t the first time you had heard that opinion stated.
Why have a hissy fit over it now?
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2019-11-11 14:18:40 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
You are reacting to an interview he did in the 1970’s. And, since you live in the Deep South
No shit, Sherlock.

;)
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
You are reacting to an interview he did in the 1970’s. And, since you live in the Deep South
No shit, Sherlock.
;)
Nope. That’s literally your upper lip you’re smelling, pissbum.
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 14:31:16 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
Good to know, I reckon.
Frosty
2019-11-11 14:34:49 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
Good to know, I reckon.
Mr. Wayne never knew you
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2019-11-11 14:39:44 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
Mr. Wayne never knew you
Correct.
Frosty
2019-11-11 14:41:40 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
Mr. Wayne never knew you
Correct.
So his belief in white supremacy is foolish considering he never knew you...
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And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
Mr. Wayne never knew you
Correct.
So his belief in white supremacy is foolish considering he never knew you...
So Dreckweasel has a problem with other people being stupid? Amazing.
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I'm reading about Jair Bolsonaro this morning, a person John Wayne would no doubt applaud:

https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=msg&th=394705&start=0&

"What Jair Bolsonaro is doing to the Amazon, which he wants to be all mining and ranching savanna, and is likely to be so soon..."

"Bolsonaro, a former Army captain whose followers call him the Legend, is an unabashed racist, homophobe, and misogynist. A climate-change denier, he came to power with a vehemently anti-environmentalist message, supported by a powerful lobby known as “the three B’s”: Bibles, bullets, and beef, meaning evangelicals, gun advocates, and the agribusiness industry. Bolsonaro has complained for years that indigenous protections are a senseless brake on development. “The Indians do not speak our language, they do not have money, they do not have culture,” he once said. “How did they manage to get thirteen per cent of the national territory?” Before he was elected, he described the Amazon as “the richest area in the world” and vowed, “I’m not getting into this nonsense of defending land for Indians.”"
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2019-11-13 14:57:15 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I am reading a post by an ignoramus this morning; a person who smears the reputations of others because he's too stupid to understand what they were saying.
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I am reading a post by an ignoramus this morning; a person who smears the reputations of others because he's too stupid to understand what they were saying.
Michael, I believe I should share pissbums slanderous opinion of the late, great John Wayne with others there in shitkickerville aka Columbus, Ga. Especially the military base there. I bet they’d be interested in him explaining his take on the Duke.
I’ll make sure to include his address
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I am reading a post by an ignoramus this morning; a person who smears the reputations of others because he's too stupid to understand what they were saying.
Michael, I believe I should share pissbums slanderous opinion of the late, great John Wayne with others there in shitkickerville aka Columbus, Ga. Especially the military base there. I bet they’d be interested in him explaining his take on the Duke.
I’ll make sure to include his address
Sounds like a plan.
Will Dockery
2019-11-13 19:08:07 UTC
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Michael, I believe I should share
slanderous opinion of the late, great John Wayne
Show them where they can read about it, just like I did:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.

Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.

True.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/

Did John Wayne Say Native Americans ‘Selfishly’ Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'

John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'

Correct Attribution
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2019-11-13 20:02:03 UTC
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
True.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
Did John Wayne Say Native Americans ‘Selfishly’ Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
Correct Attribution
Your reading comprehension skills are... abysmal.
Will Dockery
2019-11-13 20:23:18 UTC
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Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
True.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
Did John Wayne Say Native Americans ‘Selfishly’ Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
Correct Attribution
Your
I've made my point.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-13 20:25:28 UTC
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Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
True.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
Did John Wayne Say Native Americans ‘Selfishly’ Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
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Your
I've made my point.
The only point you've managed to make is that you're an illiterate ignoramus who lacks the reading comprehension skills of a fourth grader.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-13 20:27:34 UTC
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No, you haven't.
Will Dockery
2019-11-13 20:38:01 UTC
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No, you haven't.
I think I have:

Show them where they can read about it, just like I did:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/

Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.

Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.

True.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/

Did John Wayne Say Native Americans ‘Selfishly’ Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'

John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'

Correct Attribution

;)
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-13 20:42:48 UTC
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Okay, so what's YOUR point? I still don't see it.
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-13 20:59:55 UTC
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Hieronymous Corey wrote on Wed, 13 November 2019 20:42
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Okay, so what's YOUR point? I still don't see it.
At what point did you become confused, Pastor Corey...?
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-13 21:12:11 UTC
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What's YOUR point?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-13 21:30:44 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Wed, 13 November 2019 20:38
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No, you haven't.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
Did John Wayne Say He Believed in White Supremacy?
The quote from iconic Western actor John Wayne came from a 1971 interview with "Playboy" magazine.
True.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
Did John Wayne Say Native Americans 'Selfishly' Tried to Keep Their Land?
The popular actor supposedly maintained that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
John Wayne once said that the taking of land from Native Americans was justifiable because they were 'selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.'
Correct Attribution
;)
You nailed it, Doc......

Ha ha ha....
General Zod
2019-11-14 23:06:18 UTC
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a person who smears the reputations of others
You are describing yourself....?
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-11 14:41:39 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I understand that many people today use "white supremacist," "KKK" and "Neo-Nazi" interchangeably, however they aren't really synonymous.

While all KKK members and Neo-Nazis may be white supremacists, not all white supremacists are KKK members and Neo-Nazis.

When John Wayne says that he believes in white supremacy, he is using the term both literally and correctly -- designating Caucasians as best suited to be the governing class -- until such time as American minorities receive similar levels of education.

Wayne said this in reference to a question posed about Angela Davis, an assistant professor at UCLA who was fired for being a member of the Communist Party and for using inflammatory language. Davis, who was also a member of the Black Panthers, played the race card, claiming that she was fired because of her race. The Black Panthers (the "militants" referred to by the Playboy Interviewer) were to all intents and purposes a reverse-racist terrorist group, who supported black on white violence and a hostile takeover of the United States. And, apparently she practiced what she preached:

"In 1970, Davis purchased firearms for people who used them in an armed takeover of a courtroom in Marin County, California, in which four people were killed. She was prosecuted for three capital felonies, including conspiracy to murder."

Wayne is saying that she was not qualified to be a teacher, because she had never learned how to act responsibly. And, in addressing Playboy's question about the black militants, he is applying this rule to the avowed goals of black nationalists.
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 15:53:25 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
While all KKK members and Neo-Nazis may be white supremacists, not all white supremacists are KKK members and Neo-Nazis
So, you don't believe that "white supremacists" are racists? It seems you are in the minority, there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 15:35:13 UTC
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
Frosty
2019-11-11 15:38:24 UTC
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
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Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white and dumb as a mother fucker...
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 16:16:29 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 15:38
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
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Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
Yes, you can tell that from my photographs, such as the one on my book cover:

https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013

Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
Frosty
2019-11-11 16:18:22 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 15:38
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
Damn, you sure were dropped on the head at some point.....Happy Hobo Day to you.
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 16:25:55 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 16:18
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https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
Damn, you sure
Yes, I'm sure... now go have yourself a nice day, Rochester.

:)
Frosty
2019-11-11 16:32:42 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 16:18
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https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
Damn, you sure
Yes, I'm sure... now go have yourself a nice day, Rochester.
:)
See ya around, Hobo man...I'll be back
Me
2019-11-11 16:34:42 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 15:38
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
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Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
Damn, you sure were dropped on the head at some point.....Happy Hobo Day to you.
Frosty, pissbum needed this post for his novabb buddies.
That way he can hawk his paperback on their site also.
But he’s been careful about which posts and threads show up there.
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 17:14:07 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
needed this post for his novabb buddies.
That way he can hawk his paperback on their site also.
But he’s been careful about which posts and threads show up there
So you still just don't understand Usenet and Usenet portals such as this one, Google Groups:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments

Nova BBS:

https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=424&

And even Narkive:

https://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com

All use the same content, sent from Usenet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Hopefully someone will be able to clear up your confusion eventually.

;)
Me
2019-11-11 17:19:39 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
needed this post for his novabb buddies.
That way he can hawk his paperback on their site also.
But he’s been careful about which posts and threads show up there
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=424&
https://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
;)
IOW, all of your ignorant, fucking stupidity and self stroking. your ego is archived in the above mentioned sites.
That’s good to know.....
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 17:26:40 UTC
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JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Will-Dockery/dp/0994860013
Selected Poems 1976-2019 by Will Dockery -- at The Shadowville All-Stars.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.arts.poetry.comments
https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=424&
https://alt.arts.poetry.comments.narkive.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
;)
IOW, all of your
My posts, your posts, everyone who posts on Google Groups will alsoshow up and be archived at Narkive and Nova BBS.

Take a look for yourself:

https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=424&
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-12 03:16:51 UTC
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 15:38
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A couple of quotes from John Wayne I will judge racist:[/color
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
But you're white
You are what, Rochester....?

Jack Benny' blackface sidekick....?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-13 02:07:10 UTC
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Will-Dockery wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 15:35
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
You nailed it Doc.....
George Sulzbach
2019-11-15 14:59:21 UTC
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I believe in white supremacy until the blacks started bathing and smelling as good as Zu-Bolton.
Fuck Yea, he was well read for a darkie too I hear.
Will Dockery
2019-11-15 15:16:47 UTC
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Fuck Yea
Forge much, impostor troll?

;)
General Zod
2019-11-13 00:29:45 UTC
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Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
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Looks somewhat racist to me.......
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-13 04:06:42 UTC
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Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
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Looks somewhat racist to me.......
How does it look somewhat racist to you, Stink?
General Zod
2019-11-14 00:45:23 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by General Zod
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think that’s true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn’t it true that we’re never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven’t learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I’ve directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it’s supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don’t go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There’s no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren’t Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can’t always be that way. There isn’t necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven’t trained themselves for that type of work.
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Looks somewhat racist to me.......
How does it look somewhat racist to you
The WRITING looks that way..............
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 15:10:50 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
John Wayne was rather harsh on Native Americans, as well:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/

PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?

JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
ME
2019-11-10 15:14:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
The question posed to you was about your thoughts and opinion on racism in the above mentioned works.
I was right. You really can’t express an original thought.
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 15:38:14 UTC
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Post by ME
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
Yes, George Dance did.

;)
ME
2019-11-10 15:44:25 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by ME
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Nobody asked you about whether John Wayne’s comments in an interview sounded racist.
Yes, George Dance did.
;)
Dunce’s post was in deflection of your inability to actually answer a simple question. Do you believe that the referenced material was racially biased. What is your opinion? That was the initial question.
Do you have an opinion?
General Zod
2019-11-14 02:08:07 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Will Dockery
Okay, you have a point, Pendragon.
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
So, what is the verdict on John Wayne, G.D.?
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-10 07:25:58 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 06:41
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
How was it out of context?
Did you post the *entire interview*?
Did you post the questions leading up to it?
When you just post the answer to one question in an interview, you're posting it out of context.
John Wayne did sound racist, Pendragon, ya must admit.....
ME
2019-11-10 15:05:03 UTC
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I see no problem with debating such things,
or with the opinionated folks who engage in
such activities, like students, legislators, etc.
You're even allowed to express an opinion,
if you have one that you can put into words.
No, I'm actually here for the poetry.
;)
Bwahahahaha
Talk about deflection......
Pissbum couldn't even commit to an opinion on racism.
He was too afraid of actually having to debate his understanding of it.
Such a little pussy.
I see no problem with debating such things,
or with the opinionated folks who engage in
such activities, like students, legislators, etc.
You're even allowed to express an opinion,
if you have one that you can put into words.
No, I'm actually here for the poetry.
;)
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 15:07:33 UTC
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LOL
Will Dockery
2019-11-10 16:25:04 UTC
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Post by Z***@none.i2p
Will Dockery wrote on Sun, 10 November 2019 14:30
Post by Will Dockery
Post by George J. Dance
He might, if it turns out that Wayne actually meant something different than the quoted words would indicate.
=========================================================
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
Playboy: Angela Davis [a Communist professor in the San Francisco Bay Area] claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she's black. Do you think that's true?
Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
Wayne elaborated on his views about ethnicity and racism, saying that he believed that black people had the right to attend college as long as they passed the requisite tests, and that he did not believe that the black community was disadvantaged.
PLAYBOY: But isn't it true that we're never likely to rectify the inequities in our educational system until some sort of remedial education is given to disadvantaged minority groups?
WAYNE: What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves. Now, I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can't play football with the rest of us. I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.
PLAYBOY: Many militant blacks would argue that they have it better almost anywhere else. Even in Hollywood, they feel that the color barrier is still up for many kinds of jobs. Do you limit the number of blacks you use in your pictures?
WAYNE: Oh, Christ no. I've directed two pictures and I gave the blacks their proper position. I had a black slave in The Alamo, and I had a correct number of blacks in The Green Berets. If it's supposed to be a black character, naturally I use a black actor. But I don't go so far as hunting for positions for them. I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.
============================================================
Looks like John Wayne did say it, then.....
Yes, I love John Wayne's movies, but as a person he was a bit of a putz.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 16:42:01 UTC
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As a person, John Wayne
was quoted as having said
some controversial things,
because he had opinions
that he wasn't afraid to express
for fear that someone might
call him a putz for doing so.
As a person, he's an icon.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 16:54:37 UTC
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As a person, John Wayne was a man of rare accomplishment.
As a person, John Wayne is beloved, remembered and respected
by family, friends, and the people who knew, and worked with him.
Anyone who would call him a putz did not know him as a person.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-10 17:25:54 UTC
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As a person, I was never as big a fan of John Wayne as my father or his father was,
but they were native Texans where Western movies and football players are revered.
John Wayne played college football at USC before becoming famous as an actor.
Dental River
2019-11-10 17:49:18 UTC
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Post by Hieronymous Corey
As a person, I was never as big a fan of John Wayne as my father or his father was,
but they were native Texans where Western movies and football players are revered.
John Wayne played college football at USC before becoming famous as an actor.
Marion Morrison attended Glendale High School, just down the road from here.

Anyone who actually read that Playboy interview and took from it the idea that he was a bigot has a comprehension problem. He made a realistic case against affirmative action, and only a simple mind would conflate that with bigotry.
Will Dockery
2019-11-11 14:54:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I understand that many people today use "white supremacist," "KKK" and "Neo-Nazi" interchangeably, however they aren't really synonymous.
While all KKK members and Neo-Nazis may be white supremacists, not all white supremacists are KKK members and Neo-Nazis
So, you don't believe that "white supremacists" are racists?
ME
2019-11-11 14:59:33 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I understand that many people today use "white supremacist," "KKK" and "Neo-Nazi" interchangeably, however they aren't really synonymous.
While all KKK members and Neo-Nazis may be white supremacists, not all white supremacists are KKK members and Neo-Nazis
So, you don't believe that "white supremacists" are racists?
You can’t read and comprehend well enough to have a reasonable and informed conversation pissbum.

So your opinions and responses can’t be taken seriously.

You cut, copy, paste and post most of your responses to actual questions and deflect from the actual conversations by post editing others valid posts and opinions.
So it’s evident that you can’t have a rational intelligent conversation.
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 15:12:43 UTC
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ME[8
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-native-americans/
JOHN WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival.. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-wayne-white-supremacy/
John Wayne: I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.
And what do you find racist about this?
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
I understand that many people today use "white supremacist," "KKK" and "Neo-Nazi" interchangeably, however they aren't really synonymous.
While all KKK members and Neo-Nazis may be white supremacists, not all white supremacists are KKK members and Neo-Nazis
So, you don't believe that "white supremacists" are racists?
You can't
Sure I can... I just did.

:)
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 19:39:33 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 19:20
You see the words "I believe in white supremacy..."
Yes, the meaning is obvious.
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-11 20:30:29 UTC
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You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 20:41:28 UTC
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Hieronymous Corey wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 20:30
Post by Hieronymous Corey
You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
I found it simple to comprehend:

"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."

:)
Hieronymous Corey
2019-11-11 20:45:50 UTC
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Your incomplete quote demonstrates your problem.
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-11 20:55:59 UTC
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Post by W***@none.i2p
Hieronymous Corey wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 20:30
Post by Hieronymous Corey
You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
:)
MMP: Of course I don't expect you to understand this, Will. You also lack the education to place various statements in their proper contextual perspective.

You see the words "I believe in white supremacy..." and, bingo!, John Wayne's wearing a sheet and carrying a rope. You hear a derogatory word like "slut" or "skank" and whoever used it is a misogynist. Someone calls you an "ass kisser"/"butt licker"/"slurper"/etc., and you label them a homophobe.


WD: I found it simple to comprehend:

"I believe in white supremacy..." -John Wayne


MMP: Do I read you like a comic book, or what!
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 21:04:55 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 20:55
You see the words "I believe in white supremacy..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
No wonder you had so much trouble understanding "montage".

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-11-11 21:11:51 UTC
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Post by W***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 20:55
You see the words "I believe in white supremacy..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
No wonder you had so much trouble understanding "montage".
You're jealous that "sulzbachs" ranked beneath "dockeries" on the mentally challenged scale, aren't you?
W***@none.i2p
2019-11-11 21:22:19 UTC
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 21:11
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by W***@none.i2p
Michael Pendragon wrote on Mon, 11 November 2019 20:55
You see the words "I believe in white supremacy..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. White supremacy has roots in scientific racism, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments. Like most similar movements such as neo-Nazism, white supremacists typically oppose members of other races as well as Jews..."
No wonder you had so much trouble understanding "montage".
You're
<troll snip>

There you go, troll... prove my point for me.

:)
Will Dockery
2019-11-14 18:46:54 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
racist, misogynist
and homophobe
You're still the lying troll, Peter... funny how some things never change.

;)
Z***@none.i2p
2019-11-14 18:55:51 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote on Thu, 14 November 2019 18:46
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Peter J Ross
racist, misogynist
and homophobe
You're still the lying troll, Peter... funny how some things never change.
;)
That Peter guy is so amusingly confused......
Peter J Ross
2019-11-14 19:33:56 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:46:54 -0800 (PST),
Post by Peter J Ross
racist, misogynist
and homophobe
lying
Apologies for leaving that word off my lits of your characteristics,
Dreckweasel.
--
PJR :-)

Simia quam similis turpissima bestia nobis!
- Ennius
Will Dockery
2019-11-14 19:43:43 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
Apologies
For your lies and misrepresentations about me?

Accepted.

;)
Will Dockery
2019-11-15 01:28:49 UTC
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Well, another topic derailed by trolls.

;)
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