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Playgrounds Magazine
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NancyGene
2018-08-22 21:02:38 UTC
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 21:06:44 UTC
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Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.
Me
2018-08-22 22:23:35 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
GOOD ONE, NG!!!
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:14:48 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was
an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume
number and issue.
GOOD ONE, NG!!!

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I agree, but wish we could get the real Roonie G. on here rather than Wango
forging his name...
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:17:21 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was
an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume
number and issue.
GOOD ONE, NG!!!
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I agree, but wish we could get the real Roonie G. on here rather than Wango
forging his name...
***@gmail.com
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 15:43:17 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist?
GOOD ONE, NG!!!
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.

Here's one of my poems and a column, though:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10978583_929699180396961_336762785185746021_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=0745e5bc4c344ff522ef2f0f5e5d9a87&oe=5C375FD9

And here's another...

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10922868_915653305134882_1355909814176843109_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ebd47ce392590782560392b1454b9d9c&oe=5C35B5BC

One more for now...

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10846072_895462827153930_1151866819729171931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0fbf8721b39a731efaf3c383f6297de9&oe=5BFC801D

That's three months out of twenty years... more to come.

"And, that's the name of that tune."

:)
Roonie_Griffeth
2018-08-22 22:32:35 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Yes!
Playgounds does exist!
No longer in print form but electronically via Facebook!
Thank you so much for your interest!
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:03:43 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was
an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume
number and issue.
Yes!
Playgounds does exist!
No longer in print form but electronically via Facebook!
Thank you so much for your interest!

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Hold it... Roonie G. is supposed to be Wango Tango now..?

Caught me for a moment.

:)
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:04:56 UTC
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Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was
an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume
number and issue.
Yes!
Playgounds does exist!
No longer in print form but electronically via Facebook!
Thank you so much for your interest!
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Hold it... Roonie G. is supposed to be Wango Tango now..?
Caught me for a moment.
:)
Who is Baphomet?
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:10:44 UTC
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Damn, I thought for a moment we had the real Roonie G. on here with us...

But either way, welcome back, Wango...

Heh.
Me
2018-08-22 23:30:37 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Damn, I thought for a moment we had the real Roonie G. on here with us...
But either way, welcome back, Wango...
Heh.
Will, how would you know that?
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 22:33:35 UTC
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Response to NG:

"If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do
permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available
anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual
magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and
issue..." -NG

Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have
most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.
Roonie_Griffeth
2018-08-22 22:35:07 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!

https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304

Thank you so much for your interest!
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 22:47:29 UTC
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Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.

๐Ÿ˜€
Me
2018-08-22 22:51:05 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
No, heโ€™s now baphomet! ??
Roonie
2018-08-22 22:52:44 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Me
2018-08-22 23:02:06 UTC
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Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Hi Roonie! Do you have a web site where the archives of playground can be found?
Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™re not displayed on your FB page.
If you donโ€™t mind, Roonie, please give a link to the webpage.
Thanks and welcome to aapc!
NancyGene
2018-08-22 23:37:19 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Hi Roonie! Do you have a web site where the archives of playground can be found?
Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™re not displayed on your FB page.
If you donโ€™t mind, Roonie, please give a link to the webpage.
Thanks and welcome to aapc!
Well, so much for Roonie, but in other words, unless one is at Columbus State or in Will's shed, the issues are not available. One would think that at least a sample issue with Will's contributions would be on line. Therefore, what he supposedly wrote for 20 years is not provable. He might as well put them in a pickle jar.
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:39:15 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
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Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Hi Roonie! Do you have a web site where the archives of playground can be found?
Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™re not displayed on your FB page.
If you donโ€™t mind, Roonie, please give a link to the webpage.
Thanks and welcome to aapc!
Well, so much for Roonie, but in other words, unless one is at Columbus State or in Will's shed, the issues are not available. One would think that at least a sample issue with Will's contributions would be on line. Therefore, what he supposedly wrote for 20 years is not provable. He might as well put them in a pickle jar.
Here they all are for download, its perfectly safe!
http://www.eicar.org/85-0-Download.html
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:45:33 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
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Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Hi Roonie! Do you have a web site where the archives of playground can be found?
Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™re not displayed on your FB page.
If you donโ€™t mind, Roonie, please give a link to the webpage.
Thanks and welcome to aapc!
Well, so much for Roonie, but in other words, unless one is at Columbus State or in Will's shed, the issues are not available. One would think that at least a sample issue with Will's contributions would be on line. Therefore, what he supposedly wrote for 20 years is not provable. He might as well put them in a pickle jar.
I posted the link on the Wayback Machine, the site where quite a few issues were scanned.

I can repost that link later.
NancyGene
2018-08-22 23:51:14 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by NancyGene
Post by Me
Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Roonie_Griffeth
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds Magazine!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304
Thank you so much for your interest!
Hello Roonie, great to see you here, these folks are very curious about the history of Playgrounds Magazine.
๐Ÿ˜€
What history do they want to know?
Hi Roonie! Do you have a web site where the archives of playground can be found?
Iโ€™m sure theyโ€™re not displayed on your FB page.
If you donโ€™t mind, Roonie, please give a link to the webpage.
Thanks and welcome to aapc!
Well, so much for Roonie, but in other words, unless one is at Columbus State or in Will's shed, the issues are not available. One would think that at least a sample issue with Will's contributions would be on line. Therefore, what he supposedly wrote for 20 years is not provable. He might as well put them in a pickle jar.
I posted the link on the Wayback Machine, the site where quite a few issues were scanned.
I can repost that link later.
That only shows random pages and none with your contributions. Post a link to a page that has one of your poems on it. Also, we would like to see the page where it has guidelines for submissions to the magazine.
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:54:31 UTC
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It might be easier for me to just scan some of my old copies.

๐Ÿ˜€
Me
2018-08-23 01:02:04 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
It might be easier for me to just scan some of my old copies.
๐Ÿ˜€
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
Will Dockery
2018-08-23 01:28:52 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by Will Dockery
It might be easier for me to just scan some of my old copies.
๐Ÿ˜€
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.

Here's one of my poems and a column, though:

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And here's another...

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One more for now...

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Will Dockery
2018-08-23 02:17:55 UTC
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Hello Stephan...

Well, I have posted three for the trolls to slobber over.

:)
BPJ
2018-08-23 02:31:49 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Hello Stephan...
Well, I have posted three for the trolls to slobber over.
:)
Do you and Pickles fuck each other....
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 02:38:14 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:31:50 PM UTC-7, BPJ wrote:

Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?

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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in
BPJ
2018-08-23 02:39:19 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 02:46:43 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Yes, I do. It is perfectly obvious you don't because, like NaziGene, you've wrapped yourself in 'sanitary napkins' with rainbow hues.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
BPJ
2018-08-23 02:49:34 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Yes, I do. It is perfectly obvious you don't because, like NaziGene, you've wrapped yourself in 'sanitary napkins' with rainbow hues.
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God damn..you ARE insane..nobody fucks that thing I saw....

I do hope this is your last night....
Me
2018-08-23 02:52:47 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Yes, I do. It is perfectly obvious you don't because, like NaziGene, you've wrapped yourself in 'sanitary napkins' with rainbow hues.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
Youโ€™re a nasty, misogynistic little toad, arenโ€™t you pickles.
Michael Pendragon
2018-08-23 03:00:54 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Yes, I do.
That poor, mummified cat!
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:34:59 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as
Don't worry, at 71 that is common, from what I hear... try a little blue
pill.
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Yes, I do. It is perfectly obvious you don't because, like NaziGene,
you've wrapped yourself in 'sanitary napkins' with rainbow hues.
He needs to perhaps wear one on his face like John Lennon did once... heh.
Me
2018-08-24 18:48:33 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as
Don't worry, at 71 that is common, from what I hear... try a little blue
pill.
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Yes, I do. It is perfectly obvious you don't because, like NaziGene,
you've wrapped yourself in 'sanitary napkins' with rainbow hues.
He needs to perhaps wear one on his face like John Lennon did once... heh.
Not only do you not try to tether your rabid fake Jew, but you perpetuate his vile, vicious and nasty slur# at others will.

So stop your bitching you get the responses you deserve.
You are getting what you truly deserve will.
But one day you will.
But tie up your rabid little defected today will.
Brother Dave
2018-08-23 05:15:43 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
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Do you fuck anyone or are you as impotent as Fat Fuck?
Neither of them fat bitches have seen their dick for years.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:55:03 UTC
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Not, that's not true, Pendragon.

There were advertisements in Playgrounds Magazine, but the issues were
loaded with content about the local arts community, as well as poetry,
fiction and artwork.
Michael Pendragon
2018-08-24 18:57:57 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Not, that's not true, Pendragon.
There were advertisements in Playgrounds Magazine, but the issues were
loaded with content about the local arts community, as well as poetry,
fiction and artwork.
How many pages of actual content vs actual ads?
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:32:37 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Is your dementia created from video games you thought was like 'war'?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa
Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark

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Too much Donkey Kong down at the arcade for him..?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 02:44:25 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Hello Stephan...
Well, I have posted three for the trolls to slobber over.
:)
Yes, saw them at the authentic aapc on FaceBook...the trolls here would say the same thing about LOS ANGELES FREE PRESS (FREEP), that it was just a 'throw away'.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Me
2018-08-23 02:47:31 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
Post by Will Dockery
Hello Stephan...
Well, I have posted three for the trolls to slobber over.
:)
Yes, saw them at the authentic aapc on FaceBook...the trolls here would say the same thing about LOS ANGELES FREE PRESS (FREEP), that it was just a 'throw away'.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
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davening in the musematic dark
Why would the LA Times be posting willโ€™s swill?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 04:15:32 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:47:32 PM UTC-7, QuackerME should joint BPJ for a mutual impotence meet-up...
Post by Me
Why would the LA Times be posting willโ€™s swill?
Your stupidity is not surprising. LA FREE PRESS was, 23 May 1964-3 April 1978, probably the best alternative press newspaper, rivalling VILLAGE VOICE, BERKELEY BARB, EAST VILLAGE OTHER, among ohers, for incredibly artist and poets and writers. You would have not been able to be a part of it, because you are a Quacker, not an Artist.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 04:16:57 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:47:32 PM UTC-7, QuackerME should joint BPJ for a mutual impotence meet-up...
Post by Me
Why would the LA Times be posting willโ€™s swill?
Your stupidity is not surprising. LA FREE PRESS was, 23 May 1964-3 April 1978, probably the best alternative press newspaper, rivalling VILLAGE VOICE, BERKELEY BARB, EAST VILLAGE OTHER, among ohers, for incredibly artist and poets and writers. You would have not been able to be a part of it, because you are a Quacker, not an Artist.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
typo: incredible
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:55:50 UTC
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No, "Me", I can speak for myself, don't need you to speak for me.
Will Dockery
2018-08-23 02:47:58 UTC
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Exactly... it is a given that the trolls will whine...
NancyGene
2018-08-24 17:03:18 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Me
Post by Will Dockery
It might be easier for me to just scan some of my old copies.
๐Ÿ˜€
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10978583_929699180396961_336762785185746021_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=0745e5bc4c344ff522ef2f0f5e5d9a87&oe=5C375FD9
And here's another...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10922868_915653305134882_1355909814176843109_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ebd47ce392590782560392b1454b9d9c&oe=5C35B5BC
One more for now...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10846072_895462827153930_1151866819729171931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0fbf8721b39a731efaf3c383f6297de9&oe=5BFC801D
It's obvious that there was no proofreading or any kind of editorial standards at Playgrounds Magazine. Will's "poems" were really just run-on prose. He asked the same question about some non-existent poem of Yeats that he had asked on this group. Stirring up rumors for no reason. There are typos and wrong words in both Will's column and poems. No one cared.

The three scans are from 2014. Where are the early ones?

We would like to see the page that gives information about contributing to Playgrounds Magazine.
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-24 17:20:10 UTC
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On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-7, NaziGene babbles...

Because he does not publish, and has no education or writing ability, NaziGene is huffing-and-puffing...and actually lying about Will's poetry in PLAYGROUNDS.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
ME
2018-08-24 17:47:39 UTC
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On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-7, NaziGene babbles...
Because he does not publish, and has no education or writing ability, NaziGene is huffing-and-puffing...and actually lying about Will's poetry in PLAYGROUNDS.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
Chavez, shut up. I am not in the mood for your stupidity today.
Thatโ€™s all youโ€™re here for. Stupid deflection.
Is that a chapter in book or is just under Stupid?
NancyGene
2018-08-24 17:53:04 UTC
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Post by ME
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-7, NaziGene babbles...
Because he does not publish, and has no education or writing ability, NaziGene is huffing-and-puffing...and actually lying about Will's poetry in PLAYGROUNDS.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
Chavez, shut up. I am not in the mood for your stupidity today.
Thatโ€™s all youโ€™re here for. Stupid deflection.
Is that a chapter in book or is just under Stupid?
Everything is a chapter in his book.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:58:59 UTC
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Thanks to NG for creating this fabulous tread... heh.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 19:00:14 UTC
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Content varied from issue to issue.

You need to remember this magazine was published every month for about 25
years.
Frank Greenbaum
2018-08-26 05:18:10 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Me
Post by Will Dockery
It might be easier for me to just scan some of my old copies.
๐Ÿ˜€
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10978583_929699180396961_336762785185746021_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=0745e5bc4c344ff522ef2f0f5e5d9a87&oe=5C375FD9
And here's another...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10922868_915653305134882_1355909814176843109_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ebd47ce392590782560392b1454b9d9c&oe=5C35B5BC
One more for now...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10846072_895462827153930_1151866819729171931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0fbf8721b39a731efaf3c383f6297de9&oe=5BFC801D
Good poems......
Brother Dave
2018-08-26 16:00:18 UTC
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Post by Frank Greenbaum
Good poems......
Oh look, George Sulzbach has another sock. Or is it Will Dockery?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 01:36:36 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 6:02:05 PM UTC-7, QuackerMe can't invent a tale...
Post by Me
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
Quacker, must you dip your fingers into your own toilet, then lick them dry? You are hallucinating. The 'local flyer' in question was an abjudicated publication. You never published there, but Will wrote and published his poetry consistently.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Me
2018-08-23 01:49:00 UTC
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Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 6:02:05 PM UTC-7, QuackerMe can't invent a tale...
Post by Me
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
Quacker, must you dip your fingers into your own toilet, then lick them dry? You are hallucinating. The 'local flyer' in question was an abjudicated publication. You never published there, but Will wrote and published his poetry consistently.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
Well, pickles, why donโ€™t you stick a gold star on his ass for that!!
Brother Dave
2018-08-23 05:14:58 UTC
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Post by Me
Post by Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 6:02:05 PM UTC-7, QuackerMe can't invent a tale...
Post by Me
Oh yes, scan some old, yellowed copies of a local flyer so all will know that you submitted โ€˜poetryโ€™ to a dipshit local newspaper filler.
That will convince everyone!
Quacker, must you dip your fingers into your own toilet, then lick them dry? You are hallucinating. The 'local flyer' in question was an abjudicated publication. You never published there, but Will wrote and published his poetry consistently.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—
davening in the musematic dark
Well, pickles, why donโ€™t you stick a gold star on his ass for that!!
Will already has a nasty brown star on his ass that Stephen Pickering tongues at every chance. What a couple of fruitcakes.
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 23:08:41 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was
an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume
number and issue.
Oops, forgot to add the link to the previous print editions of Playgrounds
Magazine!

https://www.facebook.com/pg/playgroundsmagazine/photos/?tab=album&album_id=902449086455304

Thank you so much for your interest!

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R.G. your email is showing up as Wango Tango... and I'm pretty sure you're
not the same person...

Thus, yet another imposter/forgery (apologies to Pen, but this one does fit
as a forger).

Wango Tango!
Will Dockery
2018-08-22 22:59:36 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available > anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this
was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with
volume number
and issue.
Roonie, basically the above... where copies may be archived, and so on...

My reply was this response to NG:

"If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do
permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available
anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual
magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and
issue..." -NG

Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have
most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.

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CSU kept a collection as far back as the 1990s, possibly Columbus Library,
although I know they lost a lot whern they moved from the Bradley Library,
Vickie kept a collection, as did I...

Beyond that, I'm not sure... perhaps Vickie gave you a set when you bought
PG from her?
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:03:38 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available > anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this
was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with
volume number
and issue.
Roonie, basically the above... where copies may be archived, and so on...
Who are you people?
Post by Will Dockery
"If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do
permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available
anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual
magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and
issue..." -NG
Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have
most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.
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CSU kept a collection as far back as the 1990s, possibly Columbus Library,
although I know they lost a lot whern they moved from the Bradley Library,
Vickie kept a collection, as did I...
Beyond that, I'm not sure... perhaps Vickie gave you a set when you bought
PG from her?
Me
2018-08-22 23:09:38 UTC
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Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available > anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this
was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with
volume number
and issue.
Roonie, basically the above... where copies may be archived, and so on...
Who are you people?
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You came on here remember?



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Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
"If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do
permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available
anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual
magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and
Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have
most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.
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CSU kept a collection as far
NancyGene
2018-08-22 23:31:36 UTC
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Post by Roonie
Post by Will Dockery
Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month,
do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or
available > anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this
was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with
volume number
and issue.
Roonie, basically the above... where copies may be archived, and so on...
Who are you people?
Post by Will Dockery
"If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do
permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available
anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual
magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and
issue..." -NG
Columbus State University Library has a collection, and I of course have
most issues, as does Vickie Carson, the publisher.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CSU kept a collection as far back as the 1990s, possibly Columbus Library,
although I know they lost a lot whern they moved from the Bradley Library,
Vickie kept a collection, as did I...
Beyond that, I'm not sure... perhaps Vickie gave you a set when you bought
PG from her?
We are stardust and we are golden. Why would you live in Columbus of all places?
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:07:59 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
I am on your machines.
There is nothing you can do about it.

-LulzSec
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:14:47 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Its beginning to look alot like christmas
everywhere you go
go
01100101 11000101
11100010 01011111
00010110 11110101
go
.ack<gmail>inquiry=null
run(alt.arts.poetry.comments)return:true"
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:17:55 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
click please
Roonie
2018-08-22 23:18:18 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
click please
Will Dockery
2018-08-23 03:12:11 UTC
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Oh, the horror...
Me
2018-08-23 03:13:23 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Oh, the horror...
Are you about to get on stage?
Will Dockery
2018-08-23 03:31:52 UTC
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Yes, I threw down a set already, "Me".

How kind of you to ask.

๐Ÿ’™
Will Dockery
2018-08-23 04:23:46 UTC
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Buk wrote for that paper, correct, Stephan?
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 04:30:35 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
Buk wrote for that paper, correct, Stephan?
Yes, for a time, he published part of his series 'Notes of a dirty old man' there, alongside Harlan Ellison et al. Nearly 50 years later, it is obvious that QuackerME, CapGunJim, NaziGene, and FakeJewPsychoLizard would never have been published because of no talent/vision.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืจื‘ ื•ืœืฉื’ืฉื’...ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขื•ื“
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
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IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Brother Dave
2018-08-23 04:34:31 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Playgrounds was one of those free rags common to shithole little towns, mostly placed in bars where drunks used it to pretend to read while hiding their shame. The "circulation" is very misleading as many copies were used to clean up puke or to wipe asses. Nobody really read it, just looked at the ads to see who was playing where. The writing was weak, as contributors were volunteers. All one had to do was ask and show a minimal level of commitment and they could have a "column".
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-23 04:47:31 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, Brother Dave wrote:

Shalom & Erev tov...this is not David Dockery, but a troll, with a glib way of lying in tandem with NaziGene's salvation army sucking sounds.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / ื—ืคืฅ ื—"ื ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
Torah ืืœื™ืœื” Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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Definitely, with Buk and Ellison writing for the same paper, incredible.
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2018-08-23 05:10:35 UTC
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Definitely, with Buk and Ellison writing for the same paper, incredible.
In the a.m., Will, I'll dig through my files. I think FREEP issues have been digitised online.
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
NG, the only archives are in the shed.
Besides, no serious poet would ever use ad finder flyer to claim they had published poetry.
If they really thought they were all that, they would have submitted their work to people in the literary world.
Other than that, it just a small time local poet/artist.
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2018-08-24 15:54:02 UTC
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist?
NG, the only archives are in the shed.
As stated earlier, that isn't true.
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Besides, no serious poet would ever use ad finder flyer
And since that is not what Playgrounds Magazine even was, the serious poet did not do that.

As I have posted elsewhere, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.

Here's one of my poems and a column, though:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10978583_929699180396961_336762785185746021_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=0745e5bc4c344ff522ef2f0f5e5d9a87&oe=5C375FD9

And here's another...

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10922868_915653305134882_1355909814176843109_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ebd47ce392590782560392b1454b9d9c&oe=5C35B5BC

One more for now...

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10846072_895462827153930_1151866819729171931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0fbf8721b39a731efaf3c383f6297de9&oe=5BFC801D

That's three months out of twenty years... more to come, and thanks for bringing this topic up to give me the opportunity to archive some details on this interesting part of my journey, "young ad daily growing".
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2018-08-24 15:55:36 UTC
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Post by Me
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist?
NG, the only archives are in the shed.
As stated earlier, that isn't true.
Post by Me
Besides, no serious poet would ever use ad finder flyer
And since that is not what Playgrounds Magazine even was, the serious poet did not do that.
As I have posted elsewhere, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, it is what is is.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10978583_929699180396961_336762785185746021_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=0745e5bc4c344ff522ef2f0f5e5d9a87&oe=5C375FD9
And here's another...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10922868_915653305134882_1355909814176843109_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ebd47ce392590782560392b1454b9d9c&oe=5C35B5BC
One more for now...
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10846072_895462827153930_1151866819729171931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0fbf8721b39a731efaf3c383f6297de9&oe=5BFC801D
That's three months out of twenty years... more to come, and thanks for bringing this topic up to give me the opportunity to archive some details on this interesting part of my journey, "young ad daily growing".
"young ad daily growing". ...oops
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 16:00:12 UTC
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Good catch, but remember that here on Usenet we call what you do a "spelling lame".

Look it up.

๐Ÿ˜€
Michael Pendragon
2018-08-24 16:30:27 UTC
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist?
NG, the only archives are in the shed.
As stated earlier, that isn't true.
Post by Me
Besides, no serious poet would ever use ad finder flyer
And since that is not what Playgrounds Magazine even was, the serious poet did not do that.
EARTH TO WILL: "Playgrounds" was a local magazine that was financed primarily (if not entirely) from ads for local businesses. It's purpose was to provide listings for "local events" (what band is will be appearing at which bar, who will be speaking at the local library, what films are showing at the local theater, etc.); and to promote the local (and regional) artists appearing there.

This is *not* the sort of publication a poet wishes his work to appear in. Poets aim for Academic (University based) and/or literary journals ("Ploughshares," "Poetry," "Poetry Review," "AGNI," "The Gettysburg Review," "The Paris Review" and similar fare). And, while not a literary publication, per se, "The "New Yorker" is also a highly-respected forum.

You'll note that I've said that "Playgrounds" is *not* the sort of paper a serious/professional poet wishes to have his works appear in. This is because the desired poetry journals will not accept poetry that has appeared in print ... anywhere (often including online groups like aapc).

Publishing in a local paper is what new writers do in order to have something listed on their submission letters. If nothing else, having something to list shows that you are actively trying to get your work published and are serious about your work. Otoh, listing local publications shows that you're an amateur and (especially when you're 60 years old) causes one to wonder *why* you haven't got any national publication credits to list.

Once a serious poet has been published in national magazines, he/she removes all of the local stuff for good. It boggles the mind that someone who's been writing and self publishing poetry for 30-40 years, could be so clueless as to boast about having his poetry limited to local publications -- in a writers' group. That's on a par with an amateur singer boasting about his local open mic nite perfs to a musicians' group!
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And, while not a literary publication, per se, "The "New Yorker" is also a highly-respected forum.
THE NEW YORKER is a literary publication. Moreover, genuine poets (and FJPL is not, of course, a poet) will submit wherever they desire, and if a publication depends on advertising to keep functioning, that is reality. FJPL, not being a poet, is not in a position to determine if a publication is poetry-qua-poetry. His quibbling about being 'amateur' is meaningless. H.P. Lovecraft and Ray Bradbury both published in 'amateur' fanzines often without pay beyond free copies of the issues, but this fact does not less their genuine stature.

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And, while not a literary publication, per se, "The "New Yorker" is also a highly-respected forum.
THE NEW YORKER is a literary publication. Moreover, genuine poets (and FJPL is not, of course, a poet) will submit wherever they desire, and if a publication depends on advertising to keep functioning, that is reality. FJPL, not being a poet, is not in a position to determine if a publication is poetry-qua-poetry. His quibbling about being 'amateur' is meaningless. H.P. Lovecraft and Ray Bradbury both published in 'amateur' fanzines often without pay beyond free copies of the issues, but this fact does not less their genuine stature.
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The New Yorker's primary focus is not poetry. They usually publish between 2 - 4 short poems per issue. Here's the Wikipedia description:

"The New Yorker is an American magazine of reportage, commentary, criticism, essays, fiction, satire, cartoons, and poetry." Hence my use of "per se."

It also contains local listings including poetry readings.

As to Lovecraft and Bradbury: if they accepted payment in copy, they must have still been in the "struggling artist" phase of their career.
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And, while not a literary publication, per se, "The "New Yorker" is also a
highly-respected forum.
THE NEW YORKER is a literary publication. Moreover, genuine poets (and FJPL
is not, of course, a poet) will submit wherever they desire, and if a
publication depends on advertising to keep functioning, that is reality.
FJPL, not being a poet, is not in a position to determine if a publication
is poetry-qua-poetry. His quibbling about being 'amateur' is meaningless.
H.P. Lovecraft and Ray Bradbury both published in 'amateur' fanzines often
without pay beyond free copies of the issues, but this fact does not less
their genuine stature.

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Well put, Stephan.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:19:01 UTC
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Yes, Playgrounds Magazine did sell advertising... almost every magazine and
newspaper in America sells advertising.
Michael Pendragon
2018-08-24 18:48:27 UTC
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Yes, Playgrounds Magazine did sell advertising... almost every magazine and
newspaper in America sells advertising.
Literary magazines are privately funded (mostly Universities) and have minimal advertising (usually only for other literary magazines).

"Playgrounds" appears to have been 90% full page ads (based on the FB samples).

Have you ever seen, picked up, skimmed through, a literary magazine?
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2018-08-26 04:54:02 UTC
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Yes, Playgrounds Magazine did sell advertising... almost every magazine and
newspaper in America sells advertising.
Literary magazines are privately funded (mostly Universities) and have minimal advertising (usually only for other literary magazines).
"Playgrounds" appears to have been 90% full page ads (based on the FB samples).
Have you ever seen, picked up, skimmed through, a literary magazine?
Will used to like reading and responding to the gay personal ads. I really didn't want to know those details of his love life.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 18:23:08 UTC
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month
Playgrounds was actually published about 24 years, NG.

My first published poem there was August or September of 1995.

In June of 1998, I struck a deal to write a monthly column and post a poem
each month in the magazine, as well as selecting and publishing other local
poets.
Will Dockery
2018-08-24 19:29:16 UTC
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Thanks for the splendid comments, everyone.

๐Ÿ˜€
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2018-08-25 01:06:59 UTC
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Thanks for the splendid comments, everyone.
Fish wrap, fish wrap,
Get yourself some fish wrap.
Fish wrap, fish wrap,
Wrap 'em up, yum.

*with apologies to Messrs. Barnes & Barnes
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*with apologies to Messrs. Barnes & Barnes
Shalom & Erev tov, Will...the Youtube plunderer is striving...
He does seem off his game tonight...
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*with apologies to Messrs. Barnes & Barnes
Shalom & Erev tov, Will...the Youtube plunderer is striving...
He does seem off his game tonight...
Will, I know youโ€™re not referring to Michael..
Heโ€™s always got your number!
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Will, I know youโ€™re not
As if you'd know... and eve if you were you're too biased to make the call.

;)
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Shalom & Erev tov, Will...the Youtube plunderer is striving...
He does seem off his game tonight...
Will, I know youโ€™re not referring to Michael..
Heโ€™s always got your number!
Speaking of which: on the bus ride into work this morning I completed writing a short story that's taken me ... forever. On the bus ride home this evening, I started writing a new short story that's progressing rather quickly. It's based on a certain event that's been a topic of conversation here of late. Of course the names have been changed to protect the innocent (from lawsuits), but I'd say it's a lead pipe cinch that most of us will recognize the characters.
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Speaking of which: on the bus ride into work this morning I completed writing a short story that's taken me ... forever. On the bus ride home this evening, I started writing a new short story that's progressing rather quickly. It's based on a certain event that's been a topic of conversation here of late. Of course the names have been changed to protect the innocent (from lawsuits), but I'd say it's a lead pipe cinch that most of us will recognize the characters.
Well, that does sound interesting.

Up there with Fish Eyed Pete, is it?
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Speaking of which: on the bus ride into work this morning I completed writing a short story that's taken me ... forever. On the bus ride home this evening, I started writing a new short story that's progressing rather quickly. It's based on a certain event that's been a topic of conversation here of late. Of course the names have been changed to protect the innocent (from lawsuits), but I'd say it's a lead pipe cinch that most of us will recognize the characters.
Well, that does sound interesting.
Up there with Fish Eyed Pete, is it?
"Pete's" a tough standard to measure up to, but ... so far, so good.
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Speaking of which: on the bus ride into work this morning I completed writing a short story that's taken me ... forever. On the bus ride home this evening, I started writing a new short story that's progressing rather quickly. It's based on a certain event that's been a topic of conversation here of late. Of course the names have been changed to protect the innocent (from lawsuits), but I'd say it's a lead pipe cinch that most of us will recognize the characters.
Well, that does sound interesting.
Up there with Fish Eyed Pete, is it?
"Pete's" a tough standard to measure up to, but ... so far, so good.
As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
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Speaking of which: on the bus ride into work this morning I completed writing a short story that's taken me ... forever. On the bus ride home this evening, I started writing a new short story that's progressing rather quickly. It's based on a certain event that's been a topic of conversation here of late. Of course the names have been changed to protect the innocent (from lawsuits), but I'd say it's a lead pipe cinch that most of us will recognize the characters.
Well, that does sound interesting.
Up there with Fish Eyed Pete, is it?
"Pete's" a tough standard to measure up to, but ... so far, so good.
As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?

โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Will Dockery
2018-08-25 15:55:23 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Well, Ellison /may/ have been quoting Camus, as he did Fats Waller in another, that might have been taken as hs statement, or he may have phrased it somewhat differently.

As with the Waller quote, will track it down and we can see, so thanks, NG.
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-25 16:13:02 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Well, Ellison /may/ have been quoting Camus, as he did Fats Waller in another, that might have been taken as hs statement, or he may have phrased it somewhat differently.
As with the Waller quote, will track it down and we can see, so thanks, NG.
Will, just keep in mind NaziGene has read none of these writers. He enters the phrase into a search engine for a possible match. I remember Harlan Ellison writing these sentiments, but cannot recall if he cited Camus. He was, unlike NaziGene, precise in his credits to others, so it shouldn't be difficult to eventually track down.
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2018-08-25 16:25:07 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Well, Ellison /may/ have been quoting Camus, as he did Fats Waller in another, that might have been taken as hs statement, or he may have phrased it somewhat differently.
As with the Waller quote, will track it down and we can see, so thanks, NG.
Will, just keep in mind NaziGene has read none of these writers. He enters the phrase into a search engine for a possible match. I remember Harlan Ellison writing these sentiments, but cannot recall if he cited Camus. He was, unlike NaziGene, precise in his credits to others, so it shouldn't be difficult to eventually track down.
Yes, I'm somewhat sure it was in one of 3-4 of Harlan Ellison's 1980s paperback collections, perhaps even in his own short story "All The Lies That Are My Life".

But, yes, I read the bit in an actual book, one of the 30-40 Harlan Ellison books in my collection, so, if it doesn't appear online, I will catch it during my ongoing re-reading of Ellison's work.

I see I did use the same Harlan Ellison quote about decade ago:

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Led Zep song copped from Moby Grape?


http://alt.music.led-zeppelin.narkive.com/dG5l6SCj/led-zep-song-copped-from-moby-grape
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you were wrong about which Led
Zeppelin song has Moby Grape's Never lyric.
That's fine, I was just naming the incident from memory. I have quite a few
Moby Grape records, no Led Zeppelin, and planned to go back to the Usenet
thread where I first read about it.

This looks like a good time to do that, since the subject is fresh, again,
thanks, Cyth.
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Will Dockery
2018-08-25 16:51:04 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Well, Ellison /may/ have been quoting Camus, as he did Fats Waller in another, that might have been taken as hs statement, or he may have phrased it somewhat differently.
As with the Waller quote, will track it down and we can see, so thanks, NG.
Will, just keep in mind NaziGene has read none of these writers. He enters the phrase into a search engine for a possible match. I remember Harlan Ellison writing these sentiments, but cannot recall if he cited Camus. He was, unlike NaziGene, precise in his credits to others, so it shouldn't be difficult to eventually track down.
I dd find this good quote from Harlan Ellison, while I look for the other one:

โ€œThank your readers and the critics who praise you, and then ignore them. Write for the most intelligent, wittiest, wisest audience in the universe: Write to please yourself.โ€ -Harlan Ellison

http://www.morefamousquotes.com/topics/you-are-my-universe-quotes/
Will Dockery
2018-08-25 18:11:16 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
Well, Ellison /may/ have been quoting Camus, as he did Fats Waller in another, that might have been taken as hs statement, or he may have phrased it somewhat differently.
As with the Waller quote, will track it down and we can see, so thanks, NG.
Will, just keep in mind NaziGene has read none of these writers. He enters the phrase into a search engine for a possible match. I remember Harlan Ellison writing these sentiments, but cannot recall if he cited Camus. He was, unlike NaziGene, precise in his credits to others, so it shouldn't be difficult to eventually track down.
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Bingo... here is what I must have read, those 30-something years ago:

"There are writers who lie to themselves, and to their readers. Lying to readers in fiction is probably okay, because what is fiction but the well-constructed lie?" -Harlan Ellison

From:
The Harlan Ellison Hornbook: Essays - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1497604621
Harlan Ellison - 2014 - โ€ŽBiography & Autobiography

https://books.google.com/books?id=UsgqAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT65&dq=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&pg=PT65#v=onepage&q=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&f=false
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 12:49:53 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
I did find one from Harlan Ellison in which he says the same basic thing:

"There are writers who lie to themselves, and to their readers. Lying to readers in fiction is probably okay, because what is fiction but the well-constructed lie?" -Harlan Ellison

From:
The Harlan Ellison Hornbook: Essays - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1497604621
Harlan Ellison - 2014 - โ€ŽBiography & Autobiography

https://books.google.com/books?id=UsgqAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT65&dq=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&pg=PT65#v=onepage&q=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&f=false

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NancyGene
2018-08-26 14:44:00 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
Post by Will Dockery
As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
"There are writers who lie to themselves, and to their readers. Lying to readers in fiction is probably okay, because what is fiction but the well-constructed lie?" -Harlan Ellison
The Harlan Ellison Hornbook: Essays - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1497604621
Harlan Ellison - 2014 - โ€ŽBiography & Autobiography
https://books.google.com/books?id=UsgqAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT65&dq=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&pg=PT65#v=onepage&q=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&f=false
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You should be more careful about using quotes on statements that were not really said that way. You have done that before and been called on it.
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 14:59:55 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
"There are writers who lie to themselves, and to their readers. Lying to readers in fiction is probably okay, because what is fiction but the well-constructed lie?" -Harlan Ellison
The Harlan Ellison Hornbook: Essays - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1497604621
Harlan Ellison - 2014 - โ€ŽBiography & Autobiography
https://books.google.com/books?id=UsgqAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT65&dq=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&pg=PT65#v=onepage&q=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&f=false
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You should be more careful about using quotes on statements that were not really said that way. You have done that before and been called on it.
I'm also not finished with looking for versions of that statement made by Harlan Ellison...

I am sure Harlan Ellison has written on this topic before, and I think I know in which books, and I also suspect these books are not yet available online, so I'll have to sit down with the hard copy books and have a read to find them.

Harlan Elison's mid 1980s run of titles, when my fascination with the works of Harlan Ellison was at the highest point, back when I collected and read 25-30 titles of his in the space of a couple of years, is where I'm very sure I read this, so it will be a relatively short search, when I have the time.

So... we can stay tuned, if you'd like.
ME
2018-08-26 15:21:26 UTC
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As Harlan Ellison wrote, "Fiction is creative lying."
We don't see that Ellison ever said that. Could you give us a specific citation?
โ€œFiction is the lie through which we tell the truth.โ€ โ€• Albert Camus
"There are writers who lie to themselves, and to their readers. Lying to readers in fiction is probably okay, because what is fiction but the well-constructed lie?" -Harlan Ellison
The Harlan Ellison Hornbook: Essays - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1497604621
Harlan Ellison - 2014 - โ€ŽBiography & Autobiography
https://books.google.com/books?id=UsgqAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT65&dq=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&pg=PT65#v=onepage&q=%22fiction%22%20%22lying%22%20%22harlan%20ellison%22&f=false
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You should be more careful about using quotes on statements that were not really said that way. You have done that before and been called on it.
NG, heโ€™s been called on that so many fucking times. He will post a deluge of irrelevant bullshit and the the other two will offer backup with utter nonsense.
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2018-08-26 16:12:28 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
You should be more careful about using quotes on statements that were not really said that way. You have done that before and been called on it.
NaziGene's cripping problem is his relentless stupidity.



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2018-08-26 17:28:15 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
You should be more careful about using quotes on statements that were not really said that way. You have done that before and been called on it.
NaziGene's cripping problem is his relentless stupidity.
Among other ailments.

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2018-08-25 03:28:50 UTC
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His bullshit is noted, archived, ignored. He cannot write.


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Will Dockery
2018-08-25 01:37:56 UTC
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I have read that Van Gogh had a fish wrap moment, as well...
Will Dockery
2018-08-25 15:32:28 UTC
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Okay, NG, I'll look for it... if course, I read it in one of his books, no on the internet, so it may take a while.

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Will Dockery
2018-08-25 15:46:00 UTC
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Typo alert:

"Not" not "no".

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Monty Stone
2018-08-26 04:38:36 UTC
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If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Good paper, put my art on cover many many times....
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2018-08-26 04:55:48 UTC
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Post by NancyGene
If this was published for 20 years and had a 10,000 copy run each month, do permanent copies of these exist? We don't see them on eBay or available anywhere. Will's screen shots only show the cover. If this was an actual magazine, back copies should be archived somewhere with volume number and issue.
Good paper, put my art on cover many many times....
Of course, because it was free and it was a shit rag, like any canvas you ever put a brush to.
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 15:28:48 UTC
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It looks relevant to me...
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 16:25:45 UTC
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That's fine, because "when called on it" I can provide the source quote.
Brother Dave
2018-08-26 17:23:11 UTC
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That's fine, because "when called on it" I can provide the source quote.
You can't even provide the quote for the post you are replying to, moron.
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 18:08:03 UTC
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Okay, glad we cleared that up and set the record straight.

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Michael Pendragon
2018-08-26 23:12:22 UTC
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Okay, glad we cleared that up and set the record straight.
There's really no need to set the record straight, Will. I'm sure we're all too aware that you can't even provide the quote for the post you are replying to.
ME
2018-08-26 23:17:29 UTC
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Okay, glad we cleared that up and set the record straight.
There's really no need to set the record straight, Will. I'm sure we're all too aware that you can't even provide the quote for the post you are replying to.
He canโ€™t Michael. Thatโ€™s why heโ€™s known as a lying pissbum.
Will Dockery
2018-08-26 23:16:10 UTC
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I provided plenty, Pendragon...

Read for yourself.
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