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Sgt Costello
2019-05-10 08:06:35 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garnage photoshop hack job....

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The Real Will Dockery
2019-05-10 19:56:56 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.

:)
Zod
2019-05-10 21:21:51 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
The lovely and talented Jocelyn sidekick of Zorro.....


Zod
2019-05-11 06:29:58 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....

I daresay........
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-11 06:39:32 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
Zod
2019-05-11 21:41:54 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....

I would like to make a painting of her................
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-12 04:25:42 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Zod
2019-05-12 07:58:31 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..

Your heckling proves nothing.....

Let us see your superior art as you claim it is...………...
Zod
2019-05-12 07:59:18 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..

Your heckling proves nothing.....

Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-13 00:12:57 UTC
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Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
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Post by The Real Will Dockery
The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
:)
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging, Lady Bunny.

But then begging's your thing, isn't it?
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 01:29:01 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging
Looks more like a challenge from here.

I wouldn't mind seeing how your artistic talent ranks, as well.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-13 02:17:02 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging
Looks more like a challenge from here.
Nah. It's just the in-your-face confrontational form of begging that's practiced in NYC.
Post by Sgt Costello
I wouldn't mind seeing how your artistic talent ranks, as well.
Keep begging.
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 02:23:46 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging
Looks more like a challenge from here.
Nah. It's just the in-your-face confrontational form of begging that's practiced in NYC.
Why not show us your art, after all, you've shown us everything but your art, such as your flamingly gay your Freddie Mercury look alike pose:

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And when you tried out for the Phantom of the Opera remake:

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Your wife is a lovely lady, and seems very talented:

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So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-13 02:30:57 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging
Looks more like a challenge from here.
Nah. It's just the in-your-face confrontational form of begging that's practiced in NYC.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having too much fun watching you beg.
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 02:37:49 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
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Post by Michael Pendragon
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having too much fun
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-13 02:38:47 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
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Post by Michael Pendragon
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having too much fun
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.
When have I ever bragged about it?
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 02:50:15 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.
When have I ever bragged about it?
You've bragged about your art for several posts until Zod challenged you to show us some examples of it.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-13 02:53:52 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.
When have I ever bragged about it?
You've bragged about your art for several posts until Zod challenged you to show us some examples of it.
That never happened.

However, you're more than welcome to post proof here:
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 03:09:09 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg

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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
So why not post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.
When have I ever bragged about it?
You've bragged about your art for several posts until Zod challenged you to show us some examples of it.
That never happened
Yes it did happen, you know you're constantly bragging, Pengragon, why lie about it now?
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-05-13 03:22:37 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
<snip for brevity>
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
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Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
So why not post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I'm having fun seeing you avoid posting this alleged art you've bragged about so much.
When have I ever bragged about it?
You've bragged about your art for several posts until Zod challenged you to show us some examples of it.
That never happened
Yes it did happen, you know you're constantly bragging, Pengragon, why lie about it now?
Funny how you can't find even one example.
Zod
2019-05-14 03:43:05 UTC
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Post by The Real Will Dockery
The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Will Dockery
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by Zod
Post by The Real Will Dockery
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
Do you have an obsession for *all* of Will's old girlfriends? Or are you just that incredibly hard up?
No I simply admire her beauty....
I would like to make a painting of her................
Saying "the latter" would have sufficed.
Give up Pendragon...………..
Your heckling proves nothing.....
Let us see your superior art as you claim...……..
Keep begging
Looks more like a challenge from here.
Nah. It's just the in-your-face confrontational form of begging that's practiced in NYC.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416956_328340027213637_1816987393_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b7cc88c1bd6cfb3609c2ac072823a68e&oe=5D0F36B5
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42677097_1870323489681942_6764896562934972416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=e78e6f4a921c2fa4eb66e235ecd73fe5&oe=5D1AF5F8
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30465_110247699022872_2288101_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=855fa872d699a232cd996a01a1d05629&oe=5D124422
So why no post some scans of your alleged art, Pendragon?
I do wonder.....

Perhaps because it is not good art....? ??
Will Dockery
2019-05-13 03:59:49 UTC
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The photograph that Michael Cook stole from Doc to make his nasty
garbage photoshop hack job....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
Post by Zod
Post by Sgt Costello
Agreed... now /that/ is art.
She is a walking talking work of art....
I daresay........
I simply admire her beauty.... I would like to make a painting of
her................
That would make a pretty picture, Zod, go for it.
Zod
2019-05-14 09:55:19 UTC
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Hilarious deflection....
Conley Brothers
2019-05-14 15:05:40 UTC
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Hilarious deflection....
Not as hilarious as Doc claiming Pendragon was bragging but not being able to bring up proof. Someone claiming their are is better than yours is not bragging. You can't draw. You can't paint.
Will Dockery
2019-05-14 19:31:59 UTC
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Pendragon was bragging but not being able to bring up proof
True, if Pendragon is such a great artist, he should be able to post a few examples of this alleged art.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-14 20:01:05 UTC
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Pendragon was bragging but not being able to bring up proof
True, if Pendragon is such a great artist, he should be able to post a few examples of this alleged art.
A stick figure would be vastly superior to Lady Bunny's "art."
Zod
2019-05-14 23:47:49 UTC
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Pendragon was bragging but not being able to bring up proof
True, if Pendragon is such a great artist, he should be able to post a few examples of this alleged art.
:)
Exactly.....
Zod
2019-05-15 04:29:02 UTC
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Hilarious deflection....
Not as hilarious as Doc claiming Pendragon was bragging
If the little leather boy has better art than mine let him post proof or shut up.....
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-15 11:37:02 UTC
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Hilarious deflection....
Not as hilarious as Doc claiming Pendragon was bragging
If the little leather boy has better art than mine let him post proof or shut up.....
There was a pile of bum puke on the sidewalk this morning that was better art than anything you've ever done.


Michael Pendragon
“Metaphysics IS poetry.” -- Stephen “Pickles” Pickering
Will Dockery
2019-05-15 19:20:16 UTC
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better art than anything you've ever done
Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6

General Zod paintings with titles.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-15 19:25:46 UTC
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better art than anything you've ever done
Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be hanging on the hallway walls at my children's school... back in the days when they were in grammar school, that is.


Michael Pendragon
"I would posit 13/14 as being an area where rational consent is possible, but anything younger while possible, is not advisable." -- Stephen “Lady Pickles” Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg’s having had sex with 14-year old boys]
Will Dockery
2019-05-15 19:46:12 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>

Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
ME
2019-05-15 19:49:32 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>
Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
One doesn’t have to be an artist to recognize shitty art.
Will Dockery
2019-05-18 19:26:38 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>
Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
One doesn’t have to be an artist to recognize
art
One has to be an artist to pretend to be a "better artist", though.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-15 19:51:22 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>
Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
Keep on begging, Willie.
Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di
2019-05-15 20:24:28 UTC
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Keep on begging, Willie.
Shalom & Boker tov, Will...FakeJewMikey does not paint, or draw, or compose, or sculpt, or write legitimate poetry; he has been exposed often for plagiarising -- he calls it 'montage', or 'transformative' -- his gothicrap). He is not an artist on any level. It's interesting, he repeats himself, almost word-for-word, each day, much like PeterFascistTale...

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark
Will Dockery
2019-05-15 21:49:51 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>
Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide
where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
Keep on begging, Willie.
You're mistaken, Pendragon....

I'm telling you to P.P.O.S.T.F.U.

:)
Zod
2019-05-15 23:31:54 UTC
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Yours? Well let's see some of your art to compare with Zod's art.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gq4e9GmHYVWpiCnU6
General Zod paintings with titles.
Looks like the paintings that would be
<snip>
Okay, we know all that, now let's see some of your art so we can decide
where /that/ should be hanging, Pendragon?
Keep on begging, Willie.
You're mistaken, Pendragon....
I'm telling you to P.P.O.S.T.F.U.
:)
Excatly..........................

My art is on view............................



Let us see some of Lady Pendragon's artistry..................

Ha ha ha ha haaaaah..................
George J. Dance
2019-05-16 09:16:53 UTC
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Stephen “Lady Pickles” Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg’s having had sex with 14-year old boys]
And a new Pig Pen lie. Sure, it's already archived as a Pedodragon lie, but some are offended by hearing that word; so let's put this old whine in a new bottle.
George J. Dance
2019-05-16 23:06:47 UTC
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On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 3:25:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
Stephen “Lady Pickles” Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg’s having had sex with 14-year old boys]

I pointed out this Pig Pen Lie in a different post, but since it's actually two lies, one about Ginsberg and one about Stephan, a second pointing out seems in order.
Will Dockery
2019-05-14 20:07:43 UTC
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In your opinion, of course.

The opinion of one who admits he doesn't like or understand modern art, music or poetry

😉
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-14 20:40:54 UTC
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In your opinion, of course.
The opinion of one who admits he doesn't like or understand modern art, music or poetry
Why do you lie so much, Turd?

I said I don't like the greater portion of modern art, music or poetry. I *never* said I didn't understand them.

And from our (cough!) discussions here, it's painfully obvious that I understand them a helluva lot better than you.


Michael Pendragon
“I don't pop pills unless there's no other alternative... being drug free for a few years now, you know.” – Will “The Turd” Dockery
Will Dockery
2019-05-14 20:52:19 UTC
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In your opinion, of course.
The opinion of one who admits he doesn't like or understand modern art, music or poetry
Why do you lie so much
You second-handed that question from me, liar.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-15 04:20:41 UTC
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In your opinion, of course.
The opinion of one who admits he doesn't like or understand modern art, music or poetry
Why do you lie so much
You second-handed that question from me, liar.
I seconded-handed from the same person you second-handed it from: PJR.

Why do you lie so much, Tubby?
Peter J Ross
2019-05-15 17:16:43 UTC
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In your opinion, of course.
The opinion of one who admits he doesn't like or understand modern art, music or poetry
Why do you lie so much
You second-handed that question from me, liar.
I seconded-handed from the same person you second-handed it from: PJR.
It was commonplace in AUK when I adopted it.

The ways in which such phrases are invented, polished and adapted on
Usenet would interest any student of oral tradition. They're like
Dawkins's "memes", except that it's the form that counts, not the
content.
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Why do you lie so much, Tubby?
Why do you lie so much, Chair-Breaker?
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Will Dockery
2019-05-15 20:03:19 UTC
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No, but if someone claims to be a better artist than someone else, they should be prepared to prove that claim.
ME
2019-05-15 20:22:49 UTC
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No, but if someone claims to be a better artist than someone else, they should be prepared to prove that claim.
A fucking one armed monkey could produce better art that your little derelict buddy zid.
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2019-05-15 20:28:16 UTC
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I doubt you even looked at Zod's art, "Me".

😉
Coco DeSockmonkey
2019-05-15 20:41:53 UTC
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I doubt you even looked at Zod's art, "Me".
I have. And it stinks.

Michael Pendragon
“I don't pop pills unless there's no other alternative... being drug free for a few years now, you know.” – Will “The Turd” Dockery
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2019-05-16 09:21:09 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
George J. Dance
2019-05-18 19:37:44 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
Zod
2019-05-18 21:42:10 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
Makes sense G.D.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-19 04:06:23 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
This is what a Google search pulled up on "Allen Ginsberg - sex with boys":


Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”


"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.' In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys, and ran a help-wanted advert in the Barb for a personal assistant, providing a physical description of the kind of boy he wanted, which was meant to be funny. One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."


"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."


"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
...
LOFTON: How young were the boys?

GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."


"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget) and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."


"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."

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Is it really "narcissistic" to call a monster a monster? The man was a sexual predator and was as frank about it as he could possibly be without getting himself sent to prison.

You can believe in the picture of Ginsberg that the above-quoted passages paint, or not. I'm not trying to make an anti-Ginsberg convert of you (and given your view on NAMBLA, I don't think I could). But I'm not going to sit idly by and smile and nod whenever you and your gang try to sweep Ginsberg's transgressions under the rug.
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
No links, though?
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"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
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LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."
Which matches with, of course, Edgar Allan Poe and his documented desire for thirteen year old girls.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-19 04:40:36 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
No links, though?
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"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
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LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."
Which matches with, of course, Edgar Allan Poe and his documented desire for thirteen year old girls.
There is no such documentation, Will.

Why do you lie so much?

Nor does raping little boys equate to marrying one's cousin. Are you really too stupid to see the difference?
Will Dockery
2019-05-19 04:51:20 UTC
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"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
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LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."
Which matches with, of course, Edgar Allan Poe and his documented desire for thirteen year old girls.
There is no such documentation
It is a historical fact that Edgar Allan Poe had sex with, and in fact married, his 13 year old cousin, Pendragon.

Why deny it"
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-19 07:19:05 UTC
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"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
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LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."
Which matches with, of course, Edgar Allan Poe and his documented desire for thirteen year old girls.
There is no such documentation
It is a historical fact that Edgar Allan Poe had sex with, and in fact married, his 13 year old cousin, Pendragon.
Why deny it"
Because it is not a historical fact. Just as having a "desire for thirteen year old girls" is undocumented.

First off, he married his 13-year old cousin. There is no documented evidence, nor have I ever read so much as a single rumor, that he harbored any desire for any 13-year old girls.

Poe said that his marriage was not consummated until a year or so afterward, because he felt that she was not yet mature enough. This was not a public statement, but a confidential admission to a couple of friends. There is no legitimate reason to suspect that he was lying about it.

Your attempts to smear a 19th century marriage (when 13 was not that uncommon an age for brides) smack of desperation. By all accounts Poe loved his wife, cared for her during her protracted illness and was with her at the end.

Ginsberg, otoh, was a sexual predator who fucked little boys.

And you were a sexually active 13-year old boy who fooled around with girls who were even younger.
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2019-05-19 07:22:43 UTC
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Ginsberg, otoh, was a sexual predator who fucked little boys.
No, this was never proven, anywhere... the closest anything comes to this is Ginsberg's relationship with a 17 year old.

Which is four years older than Edgar Allan Poe's 13 year old child bride.
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Ginsberg, otoh, was a sexual predator who fucked little boys.
No, this was never proven, anywhere... the closest anything comes to this is Ginsberg's relationship with a 17 year old.
Didn't you read the quotes I'd posted? It may not have been proven, but there are certainly enough admissions and accusations to make one suspect it.
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape. Anyone who sees it differently is a pervert of the worst kind.
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape. Anyone who sees it differently is a pervert of the worst kind.
And Ginsberg isn't just advocating rape; he's advocating the rape of prepubescent boys and girls.
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And Ginsberg isn't just advocating rape; he's advocating the rape of prepubescent boys and girls.
Which I have stated that I am opposed to, as are our current laws... unlike the laws of Edgar Allan Poe's times, unfortunately.
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And Ginsberg isn't just advocating rape; he's advocating the rape of prepubescent boys and girls.
Which I have stated that I am opposed to, as are our current laws... unlike the laws of Edgar Allan Poe's times, unfortunately.
In other words, you are all for rape as long as it isn't against the law. What a piece of shit you are. You lack morals and common decency.
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And Ginsberg isn't just advocating rape; he's advocating the rape of prepubescent boys and girls.
Which I have stated that I am opposed to, as are our current laws... unlike the laws of Edgar Allan Poe's times, unfortunately.
In other words, you are all for rape
No, I'm not in any way "for" rape or any other crime (that is what the words "opposed to" mean), to correct your misrepresentation of what I wrote.
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And Ginsberg isn't just advocating rape; he's advocating the rape of prepubescent boys and girls.
Which I have stated that I am opposed to, as are our current laws... unlike the laws of Edgar Allan Poe's times, unfortunately.
Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old with the forcible rape of prepubescents?
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Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old with the forcible rape of prepubescents?
I agree with current laws which make /both/ of these actions illegal.

I agree it should be (as it is) illegal for a 26 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old child.

I'm sure I have stated this several times already, but for the record will state it once again.
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Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old with the forcible rape of prepubescents?
I agree with current laws which make /both/ of these actions illegal.
I agree it should be (as it is) illegal for a 26 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old child.
I'm sure I have stated this several times already, but for the record will state it once again.
I said "marriage," not "have sex with."

So again: Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old with the forcible rape of prepubescents?
Will Dockery
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I agree with current laws which make /both/ of these actions illegal.
I agree it should be (as it is) illegal for a 26 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old child.
I'm sure I have stated this several times already, but for the record will state it once again.
I said "marriage," not "have sex with."
So again: Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old
Edgar Allan Poe didn't seem to "marry" the 13 year old child until a year later, and even in that day and age Poe lied about her age on the marriage license, claiming the 13 year old child was actually 21 years old:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe

"Poe (age 26) obtained a license in 1835 to marry his cousin Virginia Clemm (age 13)..."

"Poe and Virginia held a Presbyterian wedding ceremony at their Richmond boarding house, with a witness falsely attesting Clemm's age as 21..."

"Poe returned to Baltimore where he obtained a license to marry his cousin Virginia on September 22, 1835, though it is unknown if they were married at that time. He was 26 and she was 13..."

So, again, no, I don't approve of a 26 year old man having sex with a 13 year old, and the laws of our modern age are likewise opposed to this criminal activity.

That's my statement, no reason to misrepresent me here.
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I agree with current laws which make /both/ of these actions illegal.
I agree it should be (as it is) illegal for a 26 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old child.
I'm sure I have stated this several times already, but for the record will state it once again.
I said "marriage," not "have sex with."
So again: Are you seriously equating marriage to a 13-year old
How is his having married her when she was 13 not a marriage?

You're straining at the seams, Willie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe
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"Poe (age 26) obtained a license in 1835 to marry his cousin Virginia Clemm (age 13)..."
"Poe and Virginia held a Presbyterian wedding ceremony at their Richmond boarding house, with a witness falsely attesting Clemm's age as 21..."
"Poe returned to Baltimore where he obtained a license to marry his cousin Virginia on September 22, 1835, though it is unknown if they were married at that time. He was 26 and she was 13..."
So, again, no, I don't approve of a 26 year old man having sex with a 13 year old, and the laws of our modern age are likewise opposed to this criminal activity.
That's my statement, no reason to misrepresent me here.
What's your statement?

Poe and Virginia had a private wedding ceremony and a public one a year later.

What has any of that got to do with Ginsberg's advocacy of prepubescent rape?
Will Dockery
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I agree with current laws which make /both/ of these actions illegal.
I agree it should be (as it is) illegal for a 26 year old man to have sex with a 13 year old child.
I'm sure I have stated this several times already, but for the record will state it once again.
How is his having married her when she was 13 not a marriage?
According to what I have read, they got together when she was 13 years old and married a year later:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe
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"Poe (age 26) obtained a license in 1835 to marry his cousin Virginia Clemm (age 13)..."
"Poe and Virginia held a Presbyterian wedding ceremony at their Richmond boarding house, with a witness falsely attesting Clemm's age as 21..."
"Poe returned to Baltimore where he obtained a license to marry his cousin Virginia on September 22, 1835, though it is unknown if they were married at that time. He was 26 and she was 13..."
So, again, no, I don't approve of a 26 year old man having sex with a 13 year old, and the laws of our modern age are likewise opposed to this criminal activity.
That's my statement, no reason to misrepresent me here.
That said, I agree with the current laws making it illegal for an adult to have sex with a 13 year old person.

I can't be any clearer than that, and I think you know it.
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?

How could it be anything else?

Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
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2019-05-20 20:14:19 UTC
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12
And I take it you approve of sex with anyone over the age of, what, 12 or 13 years old?

I am opposed to this, and the current U.S. laws back me up on that opposition.
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2019-05-20 20:46:16 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?
Nice deflection, but we're discussing what Ginsberg thought; and he thought not all of it was.
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How could it be anything else?
Well, I have had other people - you for instance - tell me they believed that prepubescent children were capable of willingly having sex. If you remember, we disagreed on that.
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Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
No, I don't. How about you?
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-20 21:02:30 UTC
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?
Nice deflection, but we're discussing what Ginsberg thought; and he thought not all of it was.
No kidding.

I'm asking you what you think of his statement.
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How could it be anything else?
Well, I have had other people - you for instance - tell me they believed that prepubescent children were capable of willingly having sex. If you remember, we disagreed on that.
Yes, I remember.

Then I remember you back-pedaling and claiming that the legal age should be raised to 21...

I'm just trying to establish your beliefs in no uncertain terms.
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Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
No, I don't. How about you?
No, I don't.
George J. Dance
2019-05-20 21:30:02 UTC
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?
Nice deflection, but we're discussing what Ginsberg thought; and he thought not all of it was.
No kidding.
I'm asking you what you think of his statement.
That it's not evidence that he had sex with anyone, let alone the "14-year-old boys" you claimed. Try again.
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How could it be anything else?
Well, I have had other people - you for instance - tell me they believed that prepubescent children were capable of willingly having sex. If you remember, we disagreed on that.
Yes, I remember.
Then I remember you back-pedaling
No, I still believe they can't, unlike you or Ginsberg.
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and claiming that the legal age should be raised to 21...
Yes, that's what I've claimed. So why are you asking my opinion of Ginsberg's statement? Do you know any prepubescent children over 21?
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I'm just trying to establish your beliefs in no uncertain terms.
Why? We were discussing a matter of fact - whether Allen Ginsberg (as an adult) had sex with 14-year-old boys not anyone's belief.
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Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
No, I don't. How about you?
No, I don't.
Great. Do you still believe that a child under 12 (at least as far down as 5) is capable of willingly having sex?
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-21 02:47:21 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
Post by Conley Brothers
Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?
Nice deflection, but we're discussing what Ginsberg thought; and he thought not all of it was.
No kidding.
I'm asking you what you think of his statement.
That it's not evidence that he had sex with anyone, let alone the "14-year-old boys" you claimed. Try again.
Anyone who would advocate raping prepubescents is certainly to be suspected of having had sex with a 14-year old -- especially when he said that he never had sex with anyone younger than 15.
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How could it be anything else?
Well, I have had other people - you for instance - tell me they believed that prepubescent children were capable of willingly having sex. If you remember, we disagreed on that.
Yes, I remember.
Then I remember you back-pedaling
No, I still believe they can't, unlike you or Ginsberg.
Don't lump me in with Ginsberg in any way, shape or form.
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and claiming that the legal age should be raised to 21...
Yes, that's what I've claimed. So why are you asking my opinion of Ginsberg's statement? Do you know any prepubescent children over 21?
I'm asking because you'd initially made two contradictory statements. You'd backed Lady Pickles' claim that 12-year olds were "intellectually" and biologically ready to engage in sex with adults... then, when call on it, you back-pedaled to 21.
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I'm just trying to establish your beliefs in no uncertain terms.
Why? We were discussing a matter of fact - whether Allen Ginsberg (as an adult) had sex with 14-year-old boys not anyone's belief.
I strongly suspect that he had sex with 12 and 13-year old boys. This "suspicion" is based on Andrea Dworkin's firsthand account:

"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."

-- Andrea Dworkin, "Heartbreak: The Political Memoir of a Feminist Militant," Continuum, 2002, p37.
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Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
No, I don't. How about you?
No, I don't.
Great. Do you still believe that a child under 12 (at least as far down as 5) is capable of willingly having sex?
I've never said any such thing. Why do you lie so much, Dunce?
Will Dockery
2019-05-20 21:16:37 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
Post by Conley Brothers
Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Do you really consider sex between an adult and a *prepubescent* child to not be forcible?
How could it be anything else?
Do you think a prepubescent child (under 12 -- and that goes all the way down to newborns) is capable of rebuffing an adult's advances?
I'm opposed to sex with 12 year olds. Blowjobs is a whole different story. They have cute little mouths.
Will Dockery
2019-05-20 21:21:05 UTC
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I've made my statement.

Why do you lie do much, impostor troll?

😉
Conley Brothers
2019-05-20 20:08:48 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days
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provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical NOISES that make everything sexy sound like rape. RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to discourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
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Clearly Ginsberg is advocating rape.
Clearly, fake CB, you have a reading problem.
Explain why. While you are at it, explain why a child, or anyone for that matter, needs to "get used to sex" if it is truly by mutual consent. What kind of sick shit are you into?


Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”
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2019-05-21 00:55:30 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
Oh, goody. Let's see what Google says about "Ginsberg having had sex with 14-year-old boys"
Post by Michael Pendragon
Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”
<the quote continues:> RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to disourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.' In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys, and ran a help-wanted advert in the Barb for a personal assistant, providing a physical description of the kind of boy he wanted, which was meant to be funny. One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."
Pure "deflection". Writing poetry and masturbating are not what you accused him of.
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"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
NAMBLA again? And now Ginsberg has become a "founding member"? That's a fact I'll call bullshit on.
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Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."
Even if it were possible that 8-year-old Ginsberg was the molester here, there's no reason to think the "man" he molested was 14.
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"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
...
LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
<the quote continues:> LOFTON: That you had sex with?

GINSBERG: No, unfortunately I haven't had the chance. [laughs] No, I'm talking about my desires."

Finally, a quote that's on-topic. Ginsberg was asked in 1990 if he had sex with 14-year-old boys, and his answer was: "No."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget)
Yes, everyone must have forgotten NAMBLA by now (it's been almost 2 minutes!), so let's drag it in again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."
Good work! You've actually found someone (William S. Borroughs III) who says he was molested at 14. All you need now is the name of the perp(s).
Post by Michael Pendragon
"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association
Presumably, in case anyone forgot again that Ginsberg belonged to NAMBLA again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."
Oh, yes, and he apparently had fun creeping out Andrea Dworkin.
Post by Michael Pendragon
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Is it really "narcissistic" to call a monster a monster?
Who said it was? I said I thought your constant lying was narcissistic.
Post by Michael Pendragon
The man was a sexual predator and was as frank about it as he could possibly be without getting himself sent to prison.
Is that how you think sexual predators behave? Seriously?
Post by Michael Pendragon
You can believe in the picture of Ginsberg that the above-quoted passages paint, or not.
It looks like a pretty accurate picture: Ginsberg was a MAP, who wrote an essay (and possibly even poetry) mentioning adult/child sex, and he masturbated. And I'm sure he had his pick of of-age groupies. None of this comes close to proving that he raped even one 14-year-old. That looks like just another fake news story from the NastyGene Fake News Service.
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I'm not trying to make an anti-Ginsberg convert of you (and given your view on NAMBLA, I don't think I could).
Well, you certainly won't convince me that anyone raped anyone by mentioning "NAMBLA" 4 or 5 times in a post.
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But I'm not going to sit idly by and smile and nod whenever you and your gang try to sweep Ginsberg's transgressions under the rug.
So far, you haven't given anyone anything to sweep anywhere. Keep looking. Maybe there's something on the "darkweb." Or maybe in the "Tahiti Times."
Will Dockery
2019-05-21 01:43:02 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
Oh, goody. Let's see what Google says about "Ginsberg having had sex with 14-year-old boys"
Post by Michael Pendragon
Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”
<the quote continues:> RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to disourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.' In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys, and ran a help-wanted advert in the Barb for a personal assistant, providing a physical description of the kind of boy he wanted, which was meant to be funny. One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."
Pure "deflection". Writing poetry and masturbating are not what you accused him of.
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
NAMBLA again? And now Ginsberg has become a "founding member"? That's a fact I'll call bullshit on.
Post by Michael Pendragon
Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."
Even if it were possible that 8-year-old Ginsberg was the molester here, there's no reason to think the "man" he molested was 14.
Post by Michael Pendragon
"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
...
LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
<the quote continues:> LOFTON: That you had sex with?
GINSBERG: No, unfortunately I haven't had the chance. [laughs] No, I'm talking about my desires."
Finally, a quote that's on-topic. Ginsberg was asked in 1990 if he had sex with 14-year-old boys, and his answer was: "No."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget)
Yes, everyone must have forgotten NAMBLA by now (it's been almost 2 minutes!), so let's drag it in again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."
Good work! You've actually found someone (William S. Borroughs III) who says he was molested at 14. All you need now is the name of the perp(s).
Post by Michael Pendragon
"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association
Presumably, in case anyone forgot again that Ginsberg belonged to NAMBLA again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."
Oh, yes, and he apparently had fun creeping out Andrea Dworkin.
Post by Michael Pendragon
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Is it really "narcissistic" to call a monster a monster?
Who said it was? I said I thought your constant lying was narcissistic.
Post by Michael Pendragon
The man was a sexual predator and was as frank about it as he could possibly be without getting himself sent to prison.
Is that how you think sexual predators behave? Seriously?
Post by Michael Pendragon
You can believe in the picture of Ginsberg that the above-quoted passages paint, or not.
It looks like a pretty accurate picture: Ginsberg was a MAP, who wrote an essay (and possibly even poetry) mentioning adult/child sex, and he masturbated. And I'm sure he had his pick of of-age groupies. None of this comes close to proving that he raped even one 14-year-old. That looks like just another fake news story from the NastyGene Fake News Service.
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm not trying to make an anti-Ginsberg convert of you (and given your view on NAMBLA, I don't think I could).
Well, you certainly won't convince me that anyone raped anyone by mentioning "NAMBLA" 4 or 5 times in a post.
Post by Michael Pendragon
But I'm not going to sit idly by and smile and nod whenever you and your gang try to sweep Ginsberg's transgressions under the rug.
So far, you haven't given anyone anything to sweep anywhere. Keep looking. Maybe there's something on the "darkweb." Or maybe in the "Tahiti Times."
Well, you sure shot that one full of holes, George.
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2019-05-21 02:31:48 UTC
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Why is it that Lady Pendragon lies so much, George D?
I think a lot of it is narcissism: having some people believe him, or even pretend to believe him, makes him feel superior to them. Many of PJ's lies are similarly driven: as long as his gang parrotted them, that was enough.
Oh, goody. Let's see what Google says about "Ginsberg having had sex with 14-year-old boys"
Post by Michael Pendragon
Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”
<the quote continues:> RAPE is the only obnoxious love, which we all want to disourage naturally, so you can call up the cops for that."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.' In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys, and ran a help-wanted advert in the Barb for a personal assistant, providing a physical description of the kind of boy he wanted, which was meant to be funny. One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."
Pure "deflection". Writing poetry and masturbating are not what you accused him of.
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
NAMBLA again? And now Ginsberg has become a "founding member"? That's a fact I'll call bullshit on.
Post by Michael Pendragon
Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."
Even if it were possible that 8-year-old Ginsberg was the molester here, there's no reason to think the "man" he molested was 14.
Post by Michael Pendragon
"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
...
LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
<the quote continues:> LOFTON: That you had sex with?
GINSBERG: No, unfortunately I haven't had the chance. [laughs] No, I'm talking about my desires."
Finally, a quote that's on-topic. Ginsberg was asked in 1990 if he had sex with 14-year-old boys, and his answer was: "No."
Post by Michael Pendragon
"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget)
Yes, everyone must have forgotten NAMBLA by now (it's been almost 2 minutes!), so let's drag it in again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."
Good work! You've actually found someone (William S. Borroughs III) who says he was molested at 14. All you need now is the name of the perp(s).
Post by Michael Pendragon
"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association
Presumably, in case anyone forgot again that Ginsberg belonged to NAMBLA again.
Post by Michael Pendragon
out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."
Oh, yes, and he apparently had fun creeping out Andrea Dworkin.
Post by Michael Pendragon
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Is it really "narcissistic" to call a monster a monster?
Who said it was? I said I thought your constant lying was narcissistic.
Post by Michael Pendragon
The man was a sexual predator and was as frank about it as he could possibly be without getting himself sent to prison.
Is that how you think sexual predators behave? Seriously?
Post by Michael Pendragon
You can believe in the picture of Ginsberg that the above-quoted passages paint, or not.
It looks like a pretty accurate picture: Ginsberg was a MAP, who wrote an essay (and possibly even poetry) mentioning adult/child sex, and he masturbated. And I'm sure he had his pick of of-age groupies. None of this comes close to proving that he raped even one 14-year-old. That looks like just another fake news story from the NastyGene Fake News Service.
Post by Michael Pendragon
I'm not trying to make an anti-Ginsberg convert of you (and given your view on NAMBLA, I don't think I could).
Well, you certainly won't convince me that anyone raped anyone by mentioning "NAMBLA" 4 or 5 times in a post.
Post by Michael Pendragon
But I'm not going to sit idly by and smile and nod whenever you and your gang try to sweep Ginsberg's transgressions under the rug.
So far, you haven't given anyone anything to sweep anywhere. Keep looking. Maybe there's something on the "darkweb." Or maybe in the "Tahiti Times."
Well, you sure shot that one full of holes, George.
No, pissbum, he didn’t. He deferred from a few direct quotes from Ginsburg, but didn’t shoot holes in any of the questions and allegations that were presented.
Maybe george tried to spin it, but you seem to be one of the few here that would actually think his post in anyway justified Ginsburg’s actual quotes.

Better luck next time.
Zod
2019-05-18 09:12:36 UTC
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Thanks for the heads up G.D.
Will Dockery
2019-05-19 07:41:36 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg himself said it didn't happen.

You take Edgar Allan Poe at his word, so we should take Allen Ginsberg at his word.

Fair enough?
Zod
2019-05-19 08:15:51 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg himself said it didn't happen.
You take Edgar Allan Poe at his word, so we should take Allen Ginsberg at his word.
Fair enough?
If Poe gets a pass for having sex with his 13 year old cousin.....

Then Ginsberg should get one for loving a 17 year old......
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Fair is fair....
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-20 01:17:41 UTC
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Allen Ginsberg himself said it didn't happen.
You take Edgar Allan Poe at his word, so we should take Allen Ginsberg at his word.
Fair enough?
Ginsberg never said what didn't happen?

Did you read the various quotes/excerpts I'd posted?

Let's look at them:


Allen Ginsberg: “Prepubescent boys and girls don’t have to be protected from big hairy you and me, they’ll get used to our lovemaking in two days provided the controlling adults will stop making those hysterical noises that make everything sexy sound like rape.”

Hmm... this is a *quote* from Allen Ginsberg. Are you saying that we should take him at his word on this?


"Ginsberg wrote a lot of poems about homosexual activity with boys. He even wrote a poem called 'Sweet Boy Give Me Your Ass.'"

Are you saying that Ginsberg denied writing this poem?


"In the 1960s Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys,"

Should we believe Ginsberg's boast?


"One acquaintance writes of him 'Allen Ginsberg was a liar, pederast, child abuser, hypocrite, & thoroughly despicable person,' but not everybody liked him that much."

Did Ginsberg deny what his acquaintance wrote?


"Ginsberg was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)."

Did Ginsberg deny his NAMBLA membership?


"Like many homosexuals, he was molested in his own childhood. In June 1977, during the Boston/Boise scandal, in which he supported the defendants, Ginsberg said on TV, 'I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay'."

Should we take Ginsberg at his word here (claiming that sex with 8-year olds is okay)?


"GINSBERG: I have a sexual desire for them, I must say, yes.
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LOFTON: How young were the boys?

GINSBERG: In my case, I'd say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen."

Should we take Ginsberg at his word here as well?


"Those guys were all the worst. Setting aside the drugs and alcohol and their sons claiming to have been molested, at the age of 14, by friends of their father’s, and, yes, the wife-shooting, it’s also true that Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg (a NAMBLA member, lest we forget) and their gang-some of whom are somehow still living, so, let’s not name names-were literary rockstars who kept a steady supply of boy groupies as disposable sex toys."

Did Ginsberg deny any of these charges?


"I did think he was a civil libertarian. But in fact, he was a pedophile. He did not belong to the North American ManBoy Love Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me, not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage boys...He pointed to the friends of my godson and said they were old enough to fuck. They were 12 and 13. He said that all sex was good, including forced sex."

Did Ginsberg deny any of these charges?

If we take Ginsberg at his word he thinks it okay to sodomize an 8-year old boy, okay to masturbate to images of little boys, okay to have sexual fantasies about little boys, and that it's okay to rape little boys and girls.

So... fair enough.

We'll take Poe at his word that his marriage went unconsummated for the first year until he thought his bride was emotionally ready; and we'll take Ginsberg at his word that he was a world class pervert.
Will Dockery
2019-05-20 01:27:59 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Zod
2019-05-20 01:39:53 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
It has been established at least that Ginsberg had only the one relationship with the 18 year old.

Five full years older than the one Poe had sex with, his 13 year old cousin....
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-20 02:04:29 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Which accusations, Will?

I've posted several of them.

Are you saying that he denied them all?

If so, post your sources.
Zod
2019-05-20 02:09:01 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Which accusations, Will?
I've posted several of them.
Are you saying that he denied them all?
I know that Allen Ginsberg never confessed to the acts you name.............

Unlike Edgar Allan Poe who not only admitted that he had sex with a 13 year old girl........

Poe even married the 13 year old.... his own cousin..........
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-20 02:15:08 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Which accusations, Will?
I've posted several of them.
Are you saying that he denied them all?
I know that Allen Ginsberg never confessed to the acts you name.............
Are you referring to the Allen Ginsberg quotes I'd posted?
Zod
2019-05-20 02:16:54 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Which accusations, Will?
I've posted several of them.
Are you saying that he denied them all?
I know that Allen Ginsberg never confessed to the acts you name.............
Are you referring to the Allen Ginsberg quotes I'd posted?
I am referring to Allen Ginsberg in real life and in his poetry.....
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-20 12:00:08 UTC
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Actually, I think I did read that Ginsberg did deny the accusations.
Which accusations, Will?
I've posted several of them.
Are you saying that he denied them all?
I know that Allen Ginsberg never confessed to the acts you name.............
Are you referring to the Allen Ginsberg quotes I'd posted?
I am referring to Allen Ginsberg in real life and in his poetry.....
So the quotes I posted *by* Allen Ginsberg don't count as part of his real life?
Will Dockery
2019-05-20 21:47:31 UTC
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Age 21 works for drinking, and I have no problem making that the adult status in all areas.
Will Dockery
2019-05-21 02:47:25 UTC
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On the contrary, "Me", Pendragon was shown to be using his typical negative spin, misrepresenting information and manipulating quotes.

Which George Dance quickly shot full of holes.
Michael Pendragon
2019-05-21 02:50:02 UTC
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On the contrary, "Me", Pendragon was shown to be using his typical negative spin, misrepresenting information and manipulating quotes.
Which George Dance quickly shot full of holes.
Do you even understand what either Dunce or I wrote?
ME
2019-05-21 02:54:57 UTC
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On the contrary, "Me", Pendragon was shown to be using his typical negative spin, misrepresenting information and manipulating quotes.
Which George Dance quickly shot full of holes.
Michael quoted verbatim.
This Ginsburg shit gives y’all a real hard on doesn’t it pissbum?
Is that why you continuously try to shovel that shit here?
Will Dockery
2019-05-21 02:53:24 UTC
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Sure, I've followed the Allen Ginsberg story for over forty years.
Will Dockery
2019-05-21 02:59:43 UTC
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Pendragon is the one obsessed with shoveling shit about Ginsberg, "Me".

Try to keep up.

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