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TPB: Winter on the Zuyder Zee / Radclyffe Hall
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George Dance
2014-03-01 17:55:38 UTC
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Today on The Penny Blog:
Winter on the Zuyder Zee, by Radclyffe Hall

The world has grown unreal to-day
Far out upon the Zuyder Zee!
We drift towards a mystic isle,
With scarce a breath of wind the while.
I hear the murmur of the tide,
I hear you breathing at my side,
Far out upon the Zuyder Zee.
[...]

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2014/03/winter-on-zuyder-zee.html
J. Corey Connor
2014-03-01 18:03:09 UTC
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I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
George Dance
2014-03-01 19:29:17 UTC
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Post by J. Corey Connor
I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to hear that. I used to post my own and others' poetry to Usenet. Where is it? Who can find it? Who ever reads it (besides, of course, the trolls that go looking for early drafts of work to try to embarrass me)? It's all lost, buried in the great midden that Usenet has become. That wasn't why I began the blog -- that was to publish a long poem, "Penny or Penny's Hat", that was too long to be posted here -- but after I'd finished posting that, I realized that I could do the same thing over there.

Now the poetry I write, and a great deal of the poetry I read, is properly archived, where anyone can find it. As a bonus, it's editable, unlike here; if I spot a typo, or wish to change punctuation, I can do so without reposting the whole thing. I can even see the number of visits (40,000) and page views (120,000) at my blog, whereas I couldn't tell, here, who besides those who replied had even seen what I posted.

I'm not averse to discussing poetry on Usenet, but there's so much else to do; so much that can be read, not just by the one I'm discussing with, but anyone who comes along later. And that just can't be done here. There's just no permanent value. At least with the blog, and now the wiki, I get the feeling (however illusory) that I'm building something that will last, even after my death.
J. Corey Connor
2014-03-01 20:24:03 UTC
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No need to feel sorry for me. I'm here because I want to be here.
If you've got bigger fish to fry elsewhere, I understand completely.
George Dance
2014-03-01 20:49:32 UTC
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No need to feel sorry for me. I'm here because I want to be here.
If you've got bigger fish to fry elsewhere, I understand completely.
It's not as if I've left aapc completely. I still read the group, still post drafts here, and still comment on others' poems that get my attention.
J. Corey Connor
2014-03-01 20:56:22 UTC
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Likewise, it's not as if I don't appreciate
your blog, but that's not why I'm here.
George Dance
2014-03-02 04:49:36 UTC
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Likewise, it's not as if I don't appreciate
your blog, but that's not why I'm here.
Fair enough. It's because of you, you know, that I preface all my blog posts with "TPB", not as advertising, but as the opposite: as a warning that they're not complete poems, but excerpt-and-link combinations, so those who don't like to read that can steer clear of them.

~~
Winter on the Zuyder Zee, by Radclyffe Hall
http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2014/03/winter-on-zuyder-zee.html
J. Corey Connor
2014-03-02 10:01:57 UTC
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You needn't warn me away from your posts.
I read what I want to read. I don't read your
blog as much as I might if I didn't feel baited
there by your posts. I'd rather feel invited and
engaged. I don't know how you accomplish
that, but that's what I'd aim for if I were you.
Will Dockery
2014-03-02 14:32:31 UTC
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Post by J. Corey Connor
Likewise, it's not as if I don't appreciate
your blog, but that's not why I'm here.
Fair enough. It's because of you, you know, that I preface all my blog posts with "TPB", not as advertising, but as the opposite: as a warning that they're not complete poems, but excerpt-and-link combinations, so those who don't like to read that can steer clear of them.
~~
Winter on the Zuyder Zee, by Radclyffe Hall
http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2014/03/winter-on-zuyder-zee.html
I have some long posts that are either lost or slow in appearing, one in response to this thread... maybe today they'll appear!

And so it goes.
Peter J Ross
2014-03-04 15:40:25 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:49:32 -0800 (PST),
Post by George Dance
Post by J. Corey Connor
No need to feel sorry for me. I'm here because I want to be here.
If you've got bigger fish to fry elsewhere, I understand
completely.
It's not as if I've left aapc completely.
A few more breaches of Google's terms and conditions ought to fix
that.
Post by George Dance
I still read the group,
(and scream childish insults if ever you detect any on-topic
discussion)
Post by George Dance
still post drafts here,
(mostly plagiarised)
Post by George Dance
and still comment on others' poems that get my attention.
The "comment" in which you compared a specimen of PenPusher's
illiterate drivel to Keats's "Endymion" was a classic.
--
PJR :-)

ἔστι τις σιῶν τίσις - Alcman
Will Dockery
2014-03-01 20:27:42 UTC
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Post by J. Corey Connor
I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to hear that. I used to post my own and others' poetry to Usenet.
Where is it? Who can find it? Who ever reads it (besides, of course, the
trolls that go looking for early drafts of work to try to embarrass me)?
It's all lost, buried in the great midden that Usenet has become. That
wasn't why I began the blog -- that was to publish a long poem, "Penny or
Penny's Hat", that was too long to be posted here -- but after I'd finished
posting that, I realized that I could do the same thing over there.

Now the poetry I write, and a great deal of the poetry I read, is properly
archived, where anyone can find it. As a bonus, it's editable, unlike here;
if I spot a typo, or wish to change punctuation, I can do so without
reposting the whole thing. I can even see the number of visits (40,000) and
page views (120,000) at my blog, whereas I couldn't tell, here, who besides
those who replied had even seen what I posted.

I'm not averse to discussing poetry on Usenet, but there's so much else to
do; so much that can be read, not just by the one I'm discussing with, but
anyone who comes along later. And that just can't be done here. There's just
no permanent value. At least with the blog, and now the wiki, I get the
feeling (however illusory) that I'm building something that will last, even
after my death.

*** I know what you mean, mostly... but these Usenet posts do survive for
quite a long time, and there's no reason to think that this post and others
aren't being built to last even after our deaths.

Or, for example, Pete Seeger's death.

Today on another newsgroup, I read the claim that Seeger had "renounced
politics" before his death, and had to respond that it must have been quite
late in his life, as when Pete Seeger last performed in this area, he was
still quite political, and there was a post I'd made 11 years ago right
there, waiting for me to use to make my point:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/-8M2BVm1WDY/BNAIY-2xi_8J

Pete Seeger renounced politics?
Post by J. Corey Connor
Pete had to renounce his politics first.
When did Pete Seeger "renounce" his politics, in the last 5-6 years?

When he performed down here at the Fort Benning border for School of
Americas protesters in 2005 or 2006, he still seemed pretty fired up
politically.

Well, make that about 11 years ago, but still, relatively recent for us
old-timers:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.books.beatgeneration/Mg21meJ4SC8/xCd1wE58ZZ0J
Post by J. Corey Connor
Pete Seeger will perform Saturday afternoon at the protest.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOVEMBER 11, 2003
1:38 PM
CONTACT: School of the Americas Watch (SOAW) http://www.soaw.org
Matthew Smucker
Crossing the Line: Thousands to Speak Out Against Terror Training at
SOA
Convergence and Mass Civil Disobedience Action at Fort Benning,
Georgia, November 22-23, 2003
COLUMBUS, GA - November 11 - Thousands are planning to take nonviolent
direct action to close what they call a terrorist training camp on
U.S. soil - the School of the Americas, renamed Western Hemisphere
Institute for Security Cooperation (SOA/WHISC), a combat-training
school for Latin American soldiers. On November 22-23 thousands will
gather at the gates of Ft. Benning, Georgia, site of the school, to
expose a double standard. SOA grads continue to be implicated in
egregious acts designed to terrorize and coerce civilian populations
throughout Latin America.
The gathering will culminate on Sunday, November 23 with a solemn
"funeral" procession to the gates of Ft. Benning. Many will negotiate
a barbed-wire fence to enter the military base in an act of nonviolent
civil disobedience. Since protests against SOA-WHISC began over ten
years ago, over 170 people served or are now serving federal prison
sentences for civil disobedience.
The weekend's program will feature music and speakers from Latin and
North America, including Pete Seeger; Llajtasuyo; Francisco Herrera;
Jon Fromer; Amy Goodman from Democracy Now!; Sister Helen Prejean,
author of Dead Man Walking; Kathy Kelly of Voices in the Wilderness;
Bob King, VP of the United Auto Workers International; and many
others.
SOA graduates return to their countries to utilize their training
domestically and are consistently cited for atrocities against their
own people. Critics say President Bush used this same argument against
Saddam Hussein to leverage an invasion of Iraq, while ignoring U.S.
culpability in gross human rights violations throughout Latin America.
Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers,
religious workers, student leaders, and others working for human
rights and economic justice. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans
have been tortured, raped, assassinated, "disappeared", massacred, and
forced into refuge by SOA graduates.
There has never been an impact-assessment of the training offered at
the school. SOA-trained soldiers have returned to their countries to
commit atrocities, both as soldiers and as renegades, forming
paramilitaries, death squads and drug trafficking operations. A few
weeks ago the Mexican Secretary of Defense revealed that SOA-trained
ex-soldiers, once part of an elite Mexican army division, are now
working as highly trained hired assassins for the Gulf Cartel.
Organizers of the convergence in Georgia are working in solidarity and
coordinating with organizers of the protests to oppose the Free Trade
Area of the Americas (FTAA) in Miami (Nov. 19-21). Critics of the
SOA/WHISC argue that the school's underlying purpose is to clear the
way for U.S. corporate interests.
"The SOA is part of a corporate-hijacked foreign policy that's making
us a lot of enemies," said Fr. Roy Bourgeois, founder of SOA Watch.
"If we want lasting peace and security we need a foreign policy that
reflects our values of justice and democracy."
###
Rest in Peace, Pete Seeger.
Will Dockery
2014-03-02 03:34:33 UTC
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Post by J. Corey Connor
I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to hear that. I used to post my own and others' poetry to Usenet.
Where is it? Who can find it? Who ever reads it (besides, of course, the
trolls that go looking for early drafts of work to try to embarrass me)?
It's all lost, buried in the great midden that Usenet has become. That
wasn't why I began the blog -- that was to publish a long poem, "Penny or
Penny's Hat", that was too long to be posted here -- but after I'd finished
posting that, I realized that I could do the same thing over there.

Now the poetry I write, and a great deal of the poetry I read, is properly
archived, where anyone can find it. As a bonus, it's editable, unlike here;
if I spot a typo, or wish to change punctuation, I can do so without
reposting the whole thing. I can even see the number of visits (40,000) and
page views (120,000) at my blog, whereas I couldn't tell, here, who besides
those who replied had even seen what I posted.

I'm not averse to discussing poetry on Usenet, but there's so much else to
do; so much that can be read, not just by the one I'm discussing with, but
anyone who comes along later. And that just can't be done here. There's just
no permanent value. At least with the blog, and now the wiki, I get the
feeling (however illusory) that I'm building something that will last, even
after my death.

*** I know what you mean, mostly... but these Usenet posts do survive for
quite a long time, and there's no reason to think that this post and others
aren't being built to last even after our deaths.

Or, for example, Pete Seeger's death.

Today on another newsgroup, I read the claim that Seeger had "renounced
politics" before his death, and had to respond that it must have been quite
late in his life, as when Pete Seeger last performed in this area, he was
still quite political, and there was a post I'd made 11 years ago right
there, waiting for me to use to make my point:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.music.dylan/-8M2BVm1WDY/BNAIY-2xi_8J

Pete Seeger renounced politics?
Post by J. Corey Connor
Pete had to renounce his politics first.
When did Pete Seeger "renounce" his politics, in the last 5-6 years?

When he performed down here at the Fort Benning border for School of
Americas protesters in 2005 or 2006, he still seemed pretty fired up
politically.

Well, make that about 11 years ago, but still, relatively recent for us
old-timers:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.books.beatgeneration/Mg21meJ4SC8/xCd1wE58ZZ0J
Post by J. Corey Connor
Pete Seeger will perform Saturday afternoon at the protest.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOVEMBER 11, 2003
1:38 PM
CONTACT: School of the Americas Watch (SOAW) http://www.soaw.org
Matthew Smucker
Crossing the Line: Thousands to Speak Out Against Terror Training at
SOA
Convergence and Mass Civil Disobedience Action at Fort Benning,
Georgia, November 22-23, 2003
COLUMBUS, GA - November 11 - Thousands are planning to take nonviolent
direct action to close what they call a terrorist training camp on
U.S. soil - the School of the Americas, renamed Western Hemisphere
Institute for Security Cooperation (SOA/WHISC), a combat-training
school for Latin American soldiers. On November 22-23 thousands will
gather at the gates of Ft. Benning, Georgia, site of the school, to
expose a double standard. SOA grads continue to be implicated in
egregious acts designed to terrorize and coerce civilian populations
throughout Latin America.
The gathering will culminate on Sunday, November 23 with a solemn
"funeral" procession to the gates of Ft. Benning. Many will negotiate
a barbed-wire fence to enter the military base in an act of nonviolent
civil disobedience. Since protests against SOA-WHISC began over ten
years ago, over 170 people served or are now serving federal prison
sentences for civil disobedience.
The weekend's program will feature music and speakers from Latin and
North America, including Pete Seeger; Llajtasuyo; Francisco Herrera;
Jon Fromer; Amy Goodman from Democracy Now!; Sister Helen Prejean,
author of Dead Man Walking; Kathy Kelly of Voices in the Wilderness;
Bob King, VP of the United Auto Workers International; and many
others.
SOA graduates return to their countries to utilize their training
domestically and are consistently cited for atrocities against their
own people. Critics say President Bush used this same argument against
Saddam Hussein to leverage an invasion of Iraq, while ignoring U.S.
culpability in gross human rights violations throughout Latin America.
Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers,
religious workers, student leaders, and others working for human
rights and economic justice. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans
have been tortured, raped, assassinated, "disappeared", massacred, and
forced into refuge by SOA graduates.
There has never been an impact-assessment of the training offered at
the school. SOA-trained soldiers have returned to their countries to
commit atrocities, both as soldiers and as renegades, forming
paramilitaries, death squads and drug trafficking operations. A few
weeks ago the Mexican Secretary of Defense revealed that SOA-trained
ex-soldiers, once part of an elite Mexican army division, are now
working as highly trained hired assassins for the Gulf Cartel.
Organizers of the convergence in Georgia are working in solidarity and
coordinating with organizers of the protests to oppose the Free Trade
Area of the Americas (FTAA) in Miami (Nov. 19-21). Critics of the
SOA/WHISC argue that the school's underlying purpose is to clear the
way for U.S. corporate interests.
"The SOA is part of a corporate-hijacked foreign policy that's making
us a lot of enemies," said Fr. Roy Bourgeois, founder of SOA Watch.
"If we want lasting peace and security we need a foreign policy that
reflects our values of justice and democracy."
###
Rest in Peace, Pete Seeger.
Peter J Ross
2014-03-04 15:33:44 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:29:17 -0800 (PST),
Post by George Dance
Post by J. Corey Connor
I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to hear that. I used to post my own and others' poetry to Usenet.
You were especially fond of posting Leonard Cohen's poetry as your own
work. You were chased out of RAP for doing so, which is why you
currently infest AAPC.
Post by George Dance
Where is it? Who can find it? Who ever reads it (besides, of course,
the trolls
By "trolls", you mean of course "AAPC and RAP regulars who post
tolerable poems and honest comments".
Post by George Dance
that go looking for early drafts of work to try to embarrass me)?
Make things up much, Dunce?
Post by George Dance
It's all lost, buried in the great midden that Usenet has become.
How would you know what Usenet is, was, or is going to be, clueless
Google Groper?
Post by George Dance
That wasn't why I began the blog -- that was to publish a long poem,
"Penny or Penny's Hat",
(plagiarised from me, with two superficial alterations, one consisting
of the change of "a" to "e", the other consisting of the insertion of
some randomly generated screed in the middle)
Post by George Dance
that was too long to be posted here --
It had already been posted here (or rather, in RAP) by its author - me.
Post by George Dance
but after I'd finished posting that, I realized that I could do the
same thing over there.
Why don't you fuck off "over there" then?
Post by George Dance
Now the poetry I write,
(i.e. plagiarise)
Post by George Dance
and a great deal of the poetry I read,
(i.e. copy-and-paste)
Post by George Dance
is properly archived, where anyone can find it. As a bonus, it's
editable, unlike here; if I spot a typo, or wish to change
punctuation, I can do so without reposting the whole thing. I can
even see the number of visits (40,000) and page views (120,000) at
my blog,
You must wear out your <F5> key even faster than Dreckery!
Post by George Dance
whereas I couldn't tell, here, who besides those who replied had
even seen what I posted.
Why would anybody who didn't have a taste for smacking morons around
want to see what you posted?
Post by George Dance
I'm not averse to discussing poetry on Usenet,
Translation: you're not averse to slurping garbage written by members
and potential members of your gang, telling them that their filthy
rubbish is comparable to the work of Keats or Wallace Stevens. You're
also not averse from inserting childish personal attacks into any
thread where geniune on-topic discussion is taking place.
Post by George Dance
but there's so much else to do;
Looking for your next near-minimum-wage job, headpackerkook?
Post by George Dance
so much that can be read, not just by the one I'm discussing with,
but anyone who comes along later. And that just can't be done here.
Don't let the door hit your well-spanked arse when you leave, whiner.
Post by George Dance
There's just no permanent value.
In the case of your garbage, there's no ephemeral value either.
Post by George Dance
At least with the blog, and now the wiki, I get the feeling (however
illusory) that I'm building something that will last, even after my
death.
Your thievish kooksite will last until the number of complaints to
Google about your copyright abuse reaches critical mass, and then:
*pouf*, no more kooksite.

That's likely to happen very soon, but don't let that fact deter you
from ensuring that the kooksite outlives you. I can compile a list of
suitably high buildings in your area if you're too clueless to do so
yourself.

You can scream "AERE PERENNIUS!" as you accelerate down.
--
PJR :-)

ἔστι τις σιῶν τίσις - Alcman
Will Dockery
2014-03-04 16:10:48 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
You were especially fond of posting Leonard Cohen's poetry as your own
You are aware that this statement has been proven to be yet another of your
lying misrepresentations, right?

Just in case anyone isn't aware, a reminder.

And good morning, great to see you!
--
Check out "Rock-N-Roll Night / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/18033340-rock-n-roll-night--dockery-snipe
Will Dockery
2014-03-04 16:15:35 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
plagiarised from me
plagiarise
Two words you obviously have trouble undestanding the proper meanings of.

And so it goes.
--
Check out "Rock-N-Roll Night / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/18033340-rock-n-roll-night--dockery-snipe
George Dance
2014-03-05 00:49:40 UTC
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Post by Peter J Ross
In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:29:17 -0800 (PST),
Post by George Dance
Post by J. Corey Connor
I'd love to discuss a poem with you.
I don't want to have to go to your site
to read a poem in order to discuss it
with you here. It makes me feel dirty.
Sorry to hear that. I used to post my own and others' poetry to Usenet.
You were especially fond of posting Leonard Cohen's poetry as your own
work.
Are you claiming to have found an example of me claiming a poem by Cohen (or anyone else) as my own work? (You have had a month). If so, then PPOSTFU.
Post by Peter J Ross
You were chased out of RAP for doing so
That's not true. As you know, I left RAP in 1988 when one of your AUK-buddies, Aritzio, began making death threats.
Post by Peter J Ross
, which is why you
currently infest AAPC.
That's not true, either. Unlike you, I've been posting to aapc since 1987.
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
Where is it? Who can find it? Who ever reads it (besides, of course,
the trolls
By "trolls", you mean of course
this group, of course:

<quote>
On Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:34:10 PM UTC-4, ggamble wrote:

list of "trolls"

myself
Dale
Karla
Gwyneth
PJ Ross
</q>

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vGRK-CsjHKw/RLvAnrPUal4J
Post by Peter J Ross
who post
tolerable poems and honest comments".
I haven't seen any "tolerable poems" from any of those 5. And your "honest comments", of course, are the same thing you guys call "vindictive crits" when anyone else posts them.
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
that go looking for early drafts of work to try to embarrass me)?
Make things up much, Dunce?
Did I make up this link?

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.arts.poetry.comments/%22grass$20shone$20greenly%22%7Csort:relevance%7Cspell:true

And that's only the latest example.
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
That wasn't why I began the blog -- that was to publish a long poem,
"Penny or Penny's Hat",
(plagiarised from me, with two superficial alterations,
In which case, it would have been copyright infringement, and been removed by google from the blog. Yet here it still is, for all your whining:

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2009_12_01_archive.html
Post by Peter J Ross
one consisting
of the change of "a" to "e"
What are you babbling about now, kook?
Post by Peter J Ross
Post by George Dance
whereas I couldn't tell, here, who besides those who replied had
even seen what I posted.
Why would anybody who didn't have a taste for smacking morons around
want to see what you posted?
So now you claim to have asked all 40,000 visitors to TPB why they visited? My, you have been a busy little boy, have you not?
Post by Peter J Ross
you're not averse to slurping garbage written by members
and potential members of your gang
Unlike you, Piggy, I've never needed a gang to hide behind.
Post by Peter J Ross
also not averse from inserting childish personal attacks into any
thread where geniune on-topic discussion is taking place.
I see we'll have to add "irony" to the list of concepts you don't understand. :)
Post by Peter J Ross
Your thievish kooksite will last until the number of complaints to
Google about your copyright abuse reaches critical mass
If you make a valid complaint, they'll remove the poem in question. So far, you haven't been able to make any.
Post by Peter J Ross
*pouf*, no more kooksite.
Who knows? Someday you may manage one.
Post by Peter J Ross
That's likely to happen very soon
One complaint that Google thinks is valid? We'll know when they remove a post.

Would you like to see a list of poems they haven't removed in response to your complaints?
Post by Peter J Ross
, but don't let that fact deter you
from ensuring that the kooksite outlives you. I can compile a list of
suitably high buildings in your area if you're too clueless to do so
yourself.
You can scream "AERE PERENNIUS!" as you accelerate down.
Now, now: just because Tom Bishop was obliging enough to die so that Karla could "win" her koosuit doesn't mean that everyone will do that, you know.

~~
Winter on the Zuyder Zee / Radclyffe Hall
http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2014/03/winter-on-zuyder-zee.html
Peter J Ross
2014-03-05 05:26:00 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:49:40 -0800 (PST),
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
You were especially fond of posting Leonard Cohen's poetry as your
own work.
Are you claiming to have found an example of me claiming a poem by
Cohen (or anyone else) as my own work? (You have had a month). If
so, then PPOSTFU.
"Summer-Haiku", by Leonard Cohen:
<http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/poem.html#summerhaiku>

The same text, purportedly by George Dance:
Message-ID: <e54a8f25-58c9-40a7-bac8-***@q1g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!original/alt.arts.poetry.comments/vGRK-CsjHKw/MqRuzW1-ct4J>
Post by George Dance
Post by Peter J Ross
You were chased out of RAP for doing so
That's not true. As you know, I left RAP in 1988
How could you leave RAP nearly twenty years before you arrived there?
Do you drive a DeLorean?
Post by George Dance
when one of your AUK-buddies, Aritzio, began making death threats.
Evidence?

(This'll be good.)
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Post by Peter J Ross
, which is why you currently infest AAPC.
That's not true, either. Unlike you, I've been posting to aapc since 1987.
Travelling in time was impressive, but posting to a newsgroup ten
years before it existed is miraculous!

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Why do you never tell the truth about anything, Dunce?

<snip>

If I dealt with all your other lies I'd be here all day. They've all
been demonstrated to be lies on many previous occasions, so I don't
have to bother.
--
PJR :-)

ἔστι τις σιῶν τίσις - Alcman
Will Dockery
2014-03-05 16:05:05 UTC
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Post by George Dance
As you know, I left RAP in 1988
How could you leave RAP nearly twenty years before you arrived there?
Do you drive a DeLorean?
Obviously a typo, wouldn't you think?
George Dance
2014-03-05 23:01:34 UTC
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Post by George Dance
As you know, I left RAP in 1988
How could you leave RAP nearly twenty years before you arrived there?
Do you drive a DeLorean?
Obviously a typo, wouldn't you think?
Yes, of course it was. Too bad PJ is reduced to flaming typos, but what can one do?
g***@hotmail.com
2014-03-05 05:18:16 UTC
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As you know, I left RAP in 1988 when one of your AUK-buddies, Aritzio,
began making death threats.
. Unlike you, I've been posting to aapc since 1987.
They should remake The Lost Weekend, and call it the Lost Decade.

Jack Lemmon would be so proud.
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