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George J. Dance
2020-06-09 16:12:13 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)

From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
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Zod
2020-06-09 18:36:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Gilad Timmings
2020-06-10 05:22:16 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...

Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
Gilad Timmings
2020-06-10 05:28:11 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which (they’re)
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
George J. Dance
2020-06-10 21:42:14 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
Zod
2020-06-10 23:20:00 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
George J. Dance
2020-06-11 00:43:31 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
Hillbilly Joe
2020-06-22 23:42:36 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
Where did G.T. go...?
Michael Pendragon
2020-06-11 04:51:53 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Will Dockery
2020-06-11 13:24:16 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Seconded, you are mssed here, G.D.
Zod
2020-06-11 14:00:00 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Seconded, you are missed here, G.D.
Indeed so....
George J. Dance
2020-06-12 17:32:31 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)

Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.

But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Michael Pendragon
2020-06-12 19:22:00 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
I guess we'll have to create a tenth Muse for Politics. Demosthena, perhaps?
Zod
2020-06-13 15:14:00 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/TfO9iPBl2hU/z3_YlSdBBgAJ
Post by Gilad Timmings
Just playing with images, drawing pictures with words.
Just
playing in images
drawn on the black silk-screen
of space
the words
unfold from the dark
where hands somehow know
how to reach.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/TfO9iPBl2hU/z3_YlSdBBgAJ

???
Zod
2020-06-14 22:06:00 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
Are you really Richard Oakley...?
Zod
2020-06-21 06:54:27 UTC
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Leonard Cohen: Poet of Brokenness

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/leonard-cohen-remembering-the-life-and-legacy-of-the-poet-of-brokenness-192994/
Will Dockery
2020-06-13 22:37:15 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Yes, as you know, I've been pretty much taking a time out from the group, as well.

;)
Heathcliff
2020-06-15 00:01:26 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
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Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Yes, as you know, I've been pretty much taking a time out from the group, as well.
;)
Yet the trolls continue to obsess over you....
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2020-06-10 05:31:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
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Gilad
I do indeed although most of my schema can happen internally....

((Typo corrected))
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2020-06-10 05:30:00 UTC
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written? Are you here to study other’s verse to get better? Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I fo indeed although most of my schema can happen internally....
Zod
2020-06-10 21:51:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
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Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
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Well put, and welcome back, G.D.
Zod
2020-06-19 10:11:00 UTC
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Hope we see more in the future....
Zod
2020-06-11 02:26:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
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Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
Michael Pendragon
2020-06-11 04:55:03 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
From what I've seen, you're strictly horrendously bad rhymed/metered verse: "Lorettas are red/Lorettas are blue/Dirty Mike strums his banjo/And I love you."
k***@gmail.com
2020-06-11 15:44:13 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?

I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle. Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.

I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
George J. Dance
2020-06-12 17:56:10 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I suspect you're right; but, as you probably also realize, I was gently prodding GT to discuss the subject with me. He seems to be quite interested in poetics, but he seems to be trying to work it all out by himself, wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel in my mind.

In that way he reminds me a lot of a facebook friend of mine, Richard Oakley, who used to post here - he had much the same concerns, but seemed to want to discuss them with everyone but me. It's frustrating to go down the same road with GT.
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I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle.
Yes indeed. Nowadays I see a form as a template; the challenge being to fit what I want to say, and only that much, to exactly fill the template. It is very much like a puzzle, but with the bonus that it's a puzzle with a unique solution every time.
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Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I can give you several counterexamples - forget my two villanelles, but look at "Do Not Go Gentle..." or Robinson's "House on the Hill."

Or this one; I think it's wonderful that the poet tried to make it look like a modern, free-verse poem, so that most readers don't even know it's a villanelle - yet the power of the form is still there; I've had many readers (mainly youth without much background reading of poetry, admittedly) tell me how disturbing, even haunting, they found the poem:
R.S. Mallari, "Ghosts of Uncertainties"
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2014/11/ghosts-of-uncertainties-rs-mallari.html
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I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
I do agree with that. While he's always bumped Will's work, the bulk of what he used to do here, when he first came, was bumping lost poems from the archives, many if not most of which I enjoyed reading. I also enjoy talking poetics with him, as he's s also keenly interested in writing better poetry - so he lets me lecture him about poetics. I suspect he's tolerating me as much as learning from me, but it's all good, as it gets me to set my own thoughts down in writing.
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2020-06-12 18:24:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I suspect you're right; but, as you probably also realize, I was gently prodding GT to discuss the subject with me. He seems to be quite interested in poetics, but he seems to be trying to work it all out by himself, wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel in my mind.
Some people learn better by figuring things out by themselves. This may not be the best place to learn poetics. GT is keen on reading.

Zod says he prefers modern poetry, but as often as not, he'll dig up something formal.
Post by George J. Dance
In that way he reminds me a lot of a facebook friend of mine, Richard Oakley, who used to post here - he had much the same concerns, but seemed to want to discuss them with everyone but me. It's frustrating to go down the same road with GT.
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I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle.
Yes indeed. Nowadays I see a form as a template; the challenge being to fit what I want to say, and only that much, to exactly fill the as nottemplate. It is very much like a puzzle, but with the bonus that it's a puzzle with a unique solution every time.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I can give you several counterexamples - forget my two villanelles, but look at "Do Not Go Gentle..." or Robinson's "House on the Hill."
I'm familiar with the Dylan Thomas poem; I'll have to look up the other.
Post by George J. Dance
R.S. Mallari, "Ghosts of Uncertainties"
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2014/11/ghosts-of-uncertainties-rs-mallari.html
I'll look up that one also.
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Post by k***@gmail.com
I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
I do agree with that. While he's always bumped Will's work, the bulk of what he used to do here, when he first came, was bumping lost poems from the archives, many if not most of which I enjoyed reading. I also enjoy talking poetics with him, as he's s also keenly interested in writing better poetry - so he lets me lecture him about poetics. I suspect he's tolerating me as much as learning from me, but it's all good, as it gets me to set my own thoughts down in writing.
Zod has history with Will and is fond of him. However, maybe he shouldn't bump any one Will's poems more than once a month. Maybe we can convince him to write more of his own stuff.
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2020-06-11 05:09:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
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Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
From what I've seen, you're xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

We already know you are not qualified to judge my form of poetry, Voodoo Boy...
Will Dockery
2020-06-11 13:26:59 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Excellent choice, showing Leonard Cohen's range as an interpreter.
Zod
2020-06-19 11:30:10 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Excellent choice, showing Leonard Cohen's range as an interpreter.
Agreed and seconded...
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Hope that everyone is doing well! 🙏☺️❤️
Hello, Jordy.

;)
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.

;)
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon.

;)
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon.
;)
Hello there Jordy and Doc...…….

Good to see friendly faces here....
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon.
;)
Hello there Jordy and Doc...…….
Good to see friendly faces here....
How can you see friendly faces here?
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon.
;)
Hello there Jordy and Doc...…….
Good to see friendly faces here....
How can you see friendly faces here?
Like this:

😊 ☺️

:)
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Hello out there, Jordy...!
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Hello out there, Jordy...!
Hello mon ami 👋☺️
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Hello out there, Jordy...!
Hello mon ami 👋☺️
Echo?
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon.
;)
There are the friendly faces, smiling away, scroll up....
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Hello Jordy...!!
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Hello Jordy...!!
Hello my friend 😊☺️
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Hello Jordy...!!
Hello my friend 😊☺️
Good morning, Jordy.

;)
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Post by Van (Van Couver)
Hello Jordy...!!
Hello my friend 😊☺️
Good morning, Jordy.
;)
Hi there! 👋☺️
Will Dockery
2020-07-07 10:50:51 UTC
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Hello Jordy...!!
Hello my friend 😊☺️
Good morning, Jordy.
;)
Hi there! 👋☺️
Hello Jordy, just took in a complete listen to "Rough and Rowdy Ways", quite an epic from Mr. Dylan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_and_Rowdy_Ways

Peter J Ross
2020-06-21 19:03:40 UTC
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
It's a bit like The Waltons, but with drunken apes instead of actors,
isn't it?
--
PJR :-)

μεγάλη ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ὑπερισχύει.
- Esdras A 4.41
Jordy C
2020-06-20 04:36:19 UTC
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hi there mon ami ☺️🙏🍸
Zod
2020-06-20 12:47:12 UTC
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
;)
Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good morning my dear friends....
Zod
2020-06-20 13:26:40 UTC
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hi there mon ami ☺️🙏🍸
Hey hey hey...
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2020-06-21 22:48:47 UTC
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Post by Will Dockery
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
It's a bit like The Waltons
Ha ha ha.....
Zod
2020-06-11 15:51:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle. Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
Yes, I do find this poetry style of interest, yet still quit new to me...
Zod
2020-06-12 18:59:00 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.

I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....

I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...

Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
George J. Dance
2020-06-12 19:27:18 UTC
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Post by Gilad Timmings
Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
ME
2020-06-12 19:30:30 UTC
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Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Omg. Am I stifling zods inner muse by calling out his infinite lies and misrepresentations?
George J. Dance
2020-06-12 19:44:03 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Post by Gilad Timmings
Post by Zod
Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Omg. Am I stifling zods inner muse by calling out his infinite lies and misrepresentations?
No: you're merely a distraction.
Zod
2020-06-13 07:21:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Well put, G.D.
Will Dockery
2020-06-13 22:23:30 UTC
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Post by George J. Dance
Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
Post by Zod
Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Yes, as you know, I've been pretty much taking a time out from the group, as well.

l)
Conley Brothers
2020-06-13 05:23:31 UTC
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Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
What a load of shit. Your life is nothing but quitting and failure.
Zod
2020-06-12 19:36:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
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Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Well put, G.D.
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
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Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
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Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
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Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I suspect you're right; but, as you probably also realize, I was gently prodding GT to discuss the subject with me. He seems to be quite interested in poetics, but he seems to be trying to work it all out by himself, wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel in my mind.
Some people learn better by figuring things out by themselves. This may not be the best place to learn poetics. GT is keen on reading.
Zod says he prefers modern poetry, but as often as not, he'll dig up something formal.
Post by George J. Dance
In that way he reminds me a lot of a facebook friend of mine, Richard Oakley, who used to post here - he had much the same concerns, but seemed to want to discuss them with everyone but me. It's frustrating to go down the same road with GT.
Post by k***@gmail.com
I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle.
Yes indeed. Nowadays I see a form as a template; the challenge being to fit what I want to say, and only that much, to exactly fill the as nottemplate. It is very much like a puzzle, but with the bonus that it's a puzzle with a unique solution every time.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I can give you several counterexamples - forget my two villanelles, but look at "Do Not Go Gentle..." or Robinson's "House on the Hill."
I'm familiar with the Dylan Thomas poem; I'll have to look up the other.
Post by George J. Dance
R.S. Mallari, "Ghosts of Uncertainties"
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2014/11/ghosts-of-uncertainties-rs-mallari.html
I'll look up that one also.
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I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
I do agree with that. While he's always bumped Will's work, the bulk of what he used to do here, when he first came, was bumping lost poems from the archives, many if not most of which I enjoyed reading. I also enjoy talking poetics with him, as he's s also keenly interested in writing better poetry - so he lets me lecture him about poetics. I suspect he's tolerating me as much as learning from me, but it's all good, as it gets me to set my own thoughts down in writing.
Zod has history with Will and is fond of him. However, maybe he shouldn't bump any one Will's poems more than once a month. Maybe we can convince him to write more of his own stuff.
I am considering taking my art on the main burner for a while....
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
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Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I suspect you're right; but, as you probably also realize, I was gently prodding GT to discuss the subject with me. He seems to be quite interested in poetics, but he seems to be trying to work it all out by himself, wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel in my mind.
Some people learn better by figuring things out by themselves. This may not be the best place to learn poetics. GT is keen on reading.
Zod says he prefers modern poetry, but as often as not, he'll dig up something formal.
Post by George J. Dance
In that way he reminds me a lot of a facebook friend of mine, Richard Oakley, who used to post here - he had much the same concerns, but seemed to want to discuss them with everyone but me. It's frustrating to go down the same road with GT.
Post by k***@gmail.com
I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle.
Yes indeed. Nowadays I see a form as a template; the challenge being to fit what I want to say, and only that much, to exactly fill the as nottemplate. It is very much like a puzzle, but with the bonus that it's a puzzle with a unique solution every time.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I can give you several counterexamples - forget my two villanelles, but look at "Do Not Go Gentle..." or Robinson's "House on the Hill."
I'm familiar with the Dylan Thomas poem; I'll have to look up the other.
Post by George J. Dance
R.S. Mallari, "Ghosts of Uncertainties"
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2014/11/ghosts-of-uncertainties-rs-mallari.html
I'll look up that one also.
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Post by k***@gmail.com
I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
I do agree with that. While he's always bumped Will's work, the bulk of what he used to do here, when he first came, was bumping lost poems from the archives, many if not most of which I enjoyed reading. I also enjoy talking poetics with him, as he's s also keenly interested in writing better poetry - so he lets me lecture him about poetics. I suspect he's tolerating me as much as learning from me, but it's all good, as it gets me to set my own thoughts down in writing.
Zod has history with Will and is fond of him. However, maybe he shouldn't bump any one Will's poems more than once a month. Maybe we can convince him to write more of his own stuff.
I am considering taking my art on the main burner for a while....
Did you know that "art" and "rat" have the same letters? This is obviously an omen that you should consider taking rat poison.
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2020-06-13 07:00:00 UTC
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Please, let me know where I’m wrong and give me some examples I am missing
of this betterment...
--
Gilad
I thought at first G.T. was asking me,,,,,
i thought he was, too, but I wanted to answer him. i'm probably the person most interested in poetic forms here; if he is, too, I'd be happy to talk to him about them. Up to now he and I haven't really talked about anything.
I'm pretty much strictly modern free form of course, could be why G.T. was needling me...
I think GT is gently prodding Zod to analyze a poem in more detail. What does he like about it? What does he think a poem is about? Did the poet convey his ideas effectively in the poem and why?
I suspect you're right; but, as you probably also realize, I was gently prodding GT to discuss the subject with me. He seems to be quite interested in poetics, but he seems to be trying to work it all out by himself, wasting time trying to reinvent the wheel in my mind.
Some people learn better by figuring things out by themselves. This may not be the best place to learn poetics. GT is keen on reading.
Zod says he prefers modern poetry, but as often as not, he'll dig up something formal.
Post by George J. Dance
In that way he reminds me a lot of a facebook friend of mine, Richard Oakley, who used to post here - he had much the same concerns, but seemed to want to discuss them with everyone but me. It's frustrating to go down the same road with GT.
Post by k***@gmail.com
I find form interesting, sort of like a puzzle.
Yes indeed. Nowadays I see a form as a template; the challenge being to fit what I want to say, and only that much, to exactly fill the as nottemplate. It is very much like a puzzle, but with the bonus that it's a puzzle with a unique solution every time.
Post by k***@gmail.com
Villanelles, with the repeated 1st and 3rd lines, is usually better suited to light verse than a serious subject as in Scott's poem.
I can give you several counterexamples - forget my two villanelles, but look at "Do Not Go Gentle..." or Robinson's "House on the Hill."
I'm familiar with the Dylan Thomas poem; I'll have to look up the other..
Post by George J. Dance
R.S. Mallari, "Ghosts of Uncertainties"
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2014/11/ghosts-of-uncertainties-rs-mallari.html
I'll look up that one also.
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I think Zod just enjoys reading poetry and lets us know.
I do agree with that. While he's always bumped Will's work, the bulk of what he used to do here, when he first came, was bumping lost poems from the archives, many if not most of which I enjoyed reading. I also enjoy talking poetics with him, as he's s also keenly interested in writing better poetry - so he lets me lecture him about poetics. I suspect he's tolerating me as much as learning from me, but it's all good, as it gets me to set my own thoughts down in writing.
Zod has history with Will and is fond of him. However, maybe he shouldn't bump any one Will's poems more than once a month. Maybe we can convince him to write more of his own stuff.
I am considering taking my art on the main burner for a while....
Did you know that xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
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I know that you are an obsessive, trollish fool, Voodoo Boy, how about that fact..?

Ha ha ha,,,,
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
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Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Omg. Am I stifling zods inner muse by calling out his infinite lies and misrepresentations?
No: you're merely a distraction.
Quite a smarmy little one at that..

Ha ha ha....
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
(lyrics by F.R. Scott)
From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
Interesting back story,,,,
Do you ever analyze these poems based off the schemas by which their
written?
I do, of course. That's a villanelle; it can be a powerful form. (i've written 2 of them. You?)
Post by Gilad Timmings
Are you here to study other’s verse to get better?
I came here to do that. nowadaya I still try to, but don't often succeed; I hope that's due to me getting better, not the group getting worse.
Post by Gilad Timmings
Who is really
trying to improve here? I see much stagnation of thought and imagination;
very little in the way of broadening oneself, or at least trying something
new for you...
When I was trying to keep up with the poem-a-week thing (Nov-Mar), I set myself a task of a different form each week, but I had to let the content dictate it. It worked out well, I thought.
Any chance of your reconsidering your decision to stop?
Of course. It wasn't even a conscious decision to stop; more a decision to do other things instead. Back last fall when the Sampler revived, I was quite eager to start writing drafts again, and I welcomed making that my priority: I could crank out a first draft on Tuesday or Wednesday, then spend the rest of the week week trying to turn it into a finished poem. That part was engaging, and I enjoyed spending most of my time on that. {Just as I'm sure you're enjoying it now that you've just gone back to it.)
Two things began to take me away from that, both political. One was the US presidential race, including the Libertarian nomination race - to a political junkie like me, that's the equivalent of the Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup, and World Series put together. The other was the lockdown/shutdown mania that happened that month - the whole civilized world decided to try a new social experiment at disease containment, simply because it allegedly worked like a miracle in communist China. That's still my major focus of concern, as I think it's going to be a major issue in the next decade; so we have to get the facts right. Politics is more important than poetry (to me) right now.
But I didn't consciously decide to stop posting in the Sampler; I just found my poetry suffering over March and April - first drafts were being completed later, the poems I was submitting were less and less finished, and I was enjoying it less, finding it more a burden than anything. That's still the case; but I don't expect it to be any more lasting than my earlier attitude to it.
Hello G.D.
I have considered dropping poetry for a while myself, as my visual arts base is coming back full force these days.....
I would not leave the group, just take a break from writing new poetry...
I agree with all that; not surprisingly, since it sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes indeed, follow your muse; each hour we have left is precious, and for each of us there's a best way to use that hour. You're in the position of being able to use your time without answering to anyone, and I know that's important to you as you got there through considerable sacrifice. If you'd rather create new art than fight here with mini-ME or Zodwetrust, I'd say you made the right decision.
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Just a thought of course since I never like to stop anything, I have never been a quitter....
Agreement again. I've been posting here for 10 years, and I don't intend to leave; I'm quite willing to post less, but I want it to be clear that's my decision, not something anyone else forced me into. I'm a regular, and I can post here when I want. Same for you.
Omg. Am I stifling zods inner muse by calling out his infinite lies and misrepresentations?
You flatter yourself, my smarmy little toad.....

Ha ha ha....
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Leonard Cohen, Villanelle for Our Time
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From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
[...]
pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/F.R._Scott?file=Leonard_Cohen_-_Villanelle_For_Our_Time
G.D. I posted this on the Dylan group, watch there for comments

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/thread.php?group=rec.music.dylan
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2020-06-13 06:58:00 UTC
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A load of shit that you are full of, you cowardly anonymous forger... yu have zero the class of the real Henry Conley, forging fool...
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You really are Nancy Gene, aren't you...?

Why lie about it..?
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Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part
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Leonard C....

Hard to top this....
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Hi there my friend 😊☺️👍
Good evening, my friend Jordy...
Hey there, Jordy and Zod.
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Hello 😊☺️🍸
Good afternoon, Jordy.

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Hi there, mon ami ✌🏼😎🎶
Good morning, Jordy.

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Hi there Mr Will! 😊☺️🎶
Good afternoon, Jordy.

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