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Penny, or Penny's Hat (S17)
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George J. Dance
2019-07-06 09:18:22 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-06 17:45:12 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
W T F ???
Peter J Ross
2019-07-06 20:34:00 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT),
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Post by George J. Dance
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
W T F ???
Believe it or not, even the above randomly-generated spew isn't
Dunce's own unaided work. Some of the randomly-generated spew was
randomly generated by a spewer named Ray Heinrich.

It's part of the randomly-generated spew that Dunce inserted into my
"Batty's Hat" piece, presumably in the hope of achieving perfect
search-engine optimisation when he offered my "Batty's Hat" piece for
sale as his own work.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
NancyGene
2019-07-06 21:07:19 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT),
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Post by George J. Dance
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
W T F ???
Believe it or not, even the above randomly-generated spew isn't
Dunce's own unaided work. Some of the randomly-generated spew was
randomly generated by a spewer named Ray Heinrich.
It's part of the randomly-generated spew that Dunce inserted into my
"Batty's Hat" piece, presumably in the hope of achieving perfect
search-engine optimisation when he offered my "Batty's Hat" piece for
sale as his own work.
--
PJR :-)
τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Did he, all by himself, think of "Viagra Falls" and insert that into Batty's Hat for copyright protection purposes?
Peter J Ross
2019-07-06 21:38:30 UTC
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT),
Post by Michael Pendragon
Post by George J. Dance
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
W T F ???
Believe it or not, even the above randomly-generated spew isn't
Dunce's own unaided work. Some of the randomly-generated spew was
randomly generated by a spewer named Ray Heinrich.
It's part of the randomly-generated spew that Dunce inserted into
my "Batty's Hat" piece, presumably in the hope of achieving perfect
search-engine optimisation when he offered my "Batty's Hat" piece
for sale as his own work.
Did he, all by himself, think of "Viagra Falls" and insert that into
Batty's Hat for copyright protection purposes?
If Dunce can be proved ever to have thought of anything, all by
himself, that didn't contain infantile errors in grammar, logic,
arithmetic or common decency, I'll be astounded.
--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus
Rex Hester Jr.
2019-07-07 05:10:07 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....

What is the back story...??? ?

I am not familiar with it....
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-07 05:35:34 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
Shut up, Todd.
George J. Dance
2019-07-07 09:06:12 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
Here, let me give you the original "Batty" thread, as it appeared on rap. The more people who read the account of Penny's genesis, the better. Besides, it's certainly better reading than this one so far:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems



"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
George J. Dance
2019-07-07 09:17:41 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
And here's a "condensed" version, the part of the thread that appeared on aapc:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.arts.poetry.comments/Re$3ABatty/alt.arts.poetry.comments/HnVDnCi3_0c/6aMv5PDP-mYJ
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"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
Hieronymous Corey
2019-07-07 09:19:02 UTC
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Better how?
George J. Dance
2019-07-07 10:04:30 UTC
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Better how?
Better in that they can read for themselves what actually happened, instead of relying on "hearsay and speculation" (as Pig Pen put it).
Hieronymous Corey
2019-07-07 10:17:27 UTC
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Oh, okay. LOL. FYI & FWIW, today is 7/07. HTH & HAND.
George J. Dance
2019-07-07 14:52:58 UTC
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Oh, okay. LOL. FYI & FWIW, today is 7/07. HTH & HAND.
Hmmm... since it sounds like you're not too keen on rereading all the old "Penny" threads, why not spend today giving us some wonderful occasional verse for 707 Day? I'm sure you'd enjoy that more.
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-07 18:20:54 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
What a bore!

(The thread, that is.)

Dunce and Ray attach colors to PJR's "poem" in what is intended to be an example of humorous mockery. The "joke" was mildly amusing in its initial appearance, but became increasingly tedious with every additional color.

Why you should want to publish the end result as an actual poem is beyond me.

For me the most amusing part of the thread was to see Willie Whiner chirping in with his constant references to rock music, totally out of sync with the Dunce-Ray-& co. "hilarity," yet trying to be one of the gang.
Will Dockery
2019-07-07 18:30:51 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
What a bore!
(The thread, that is.)
Dunce and Ray attach colors to PJR's "poem" in what is intended to be an example of humorous mockery. The "joke" was mildly amusing in its initial appearance, but became increasingly tedious with every additional color.
Why you should want to publish the end result as an actual poem is beyond me.
For me the most amusing part of the thread was to see
I haven't read the thread in years but no doubt whatever I posted simply went over your head.

:)
George J. Dance
2019-07-07 21:26:00 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
What a bore!
(The thread, that is.)
Dunce and Ray attach colors to PJR's "poem" in what is intended to be an example of humorous mockery.
I can't speak for Ray, but I didn't see his comments as mocking - his suggestions were all improvements, even the one that exaggerated the worst part of "Batty".
Post by Michael Pendragon
Why you should want to publish the end result as an actual poem is beyond me.
Have you ever written a 3,500-line anything? Can you begin to imagine the work involved? It took me the best part of a month, with hundreds of revisions. I certainly wasn't just going to throw the result away afterward.

But whatever; I have no illusions about getting you to appreciate "Betty"; so I'll call it conceptual poetry, and let you look into that if you're interested (which I doubt you would be).
Post by Michael Pendragon
For me the most amusing part of the thread was to see Willie Whiner chirping in with his constant references to rock music, totally out of sync with the Dunce-Ray-& co. "hilarity," yet trying to be one of the gang.
To his credit, Will did come up with "Betty," and just at the right time, since (the poem having gone way beyond its origin), it was time to start cutting the strings that still tied it to PJ's shmatte.
Rex Hester Jr.
2019-07-07 21:30:04 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
What a bore!
(The thread, that is.)
Dunce and Ray attach colors to PJR's "poem" in what is intended to be an example of humorous mockery.
I can't speak for Ray, but I didn't see his comments as mocking - his suggestions were all improvements, even the one that exaggerated the worst part of "Batty".
Post by Michael Pendragon
Why you should want to publish the end result as an actual poem is beyond me.
Have you ever written a 3,500-line anything? Can you begin to imagine the work involved? It took me the best part of a month, with hundreds of revisions. I certainly wasn't just going to throw the result away afterward.
But whatever; I have no illusions about getting you to appreciate "Betty"; so I'll call it conceptual poetry, and let you look into that if you're interested (which I doubt you would be).
Post by Michael Pendragon
For me the most amusing part of the thread was to see Willie Whiner chirping in with his constant references to rock music, totally out of sync with the Dunce-Ray-& co. "hilarity," yet trying to be one of the gang.
To his credit, Will did come up with "Betty," and just at the right time, since (the poem having gone way beyond its origin), it was time to start cutting the strings that still tied it to PJ's shmatte.
Interestin'....

The Betty naming was news to me....
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-08 03:42:16 UTC
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or Quadrant Gray or Quail
or Quaker or Quaker Blue
or Quaker Drab or Quaker Gray
or Quaker Green or Quality
or Quality Pink or Quarry Stone
or Quarterback or Quartz
or Quasar or Quayside
or Queen Anne or Queen Anne Green
or Queen Blue or Queen Coral
or Queen Pink or Queen's Blue
or Queen's Yellow or Quercitron
or Quercitron Lake or Quicksand
or Quicksilver or Quiet
or Quill Gray or Quimper
or Quince or Quincy
Interesting....
What is the back story...??? ?
I am not familiar with it....
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.poems/2o1AFkTZnMw/Z3RrRM2wBtUJ;context-place=forum/rec.arts.poems
"The texts are word-for-word the same!!! - if one ignores the bits that are different." - Peter J Ross
What a bore!
(The thread, that is.)
Dunce and Ray attach colors to PJR's "poem" in what is intended to be an example of humorous mockery.
I can't speak for Ray, but I didn't see his comments as mocking - his suggestions were all improvements, even the one that exaggerated the worst part of "Batty".
Post by Michael Pendragon
Why you should want to publish the end result as an actual poem is beyond me.
Have you ever written a 3,500-line anything? Can you begin to imagine the work involved? It took me the best part of a month, with hundreds of revisions. I certainly wasn't just going to throw the result away afterward.
I've written a 250,000 word music book (rough draft awaiting expansion and revision), a 93,000 word novel, and a 54,000 word book on film and metaphysics (rough draft awaiting expansion and revision)... all of which are well over 3,500 lines.

However, my works are original. Your 3,500 line poem was a modified version of Peter's. It doesn't matter if you only kept two or three modified versions of his lines and stuck in 3,497 new ones -- the poem remains his.

Perhaps if you had spent your time writing your own 3,500 word poem, instead of riffing on Peter's you'd have created a work of similar (cough!) quality that was actually your own.
Post by George J. Dance
But whatever; I have no illusions about getting you to appreciate "Betty"; so I'll call it conceptual poetry, and let you look into that if you're interested (which I doubt you would be).
"Batty" is the perfect "thank you" for a gift. It's not a poem, and it's not going to mean anything to anyone who isn't the gifter or the giftee; but it's brief, and harmless, and even kind of cute.

"Betty" is the result of two school boys having mistaken "Batty" for a serious poem and attempting to mock it by adding superfluous lines naming colors. Unfortunately, it's impossible to read to without one's mind going numb after the 20th or 30th line.
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For me the most amusing part of the thread was to see Willie Whiner chirping in with his constant references to rock music, totally out of sync with the Dunce-Ray-& co. "hilarity," yet trying to be one of the gang.
To his credit, Will did come up with "Betty," and just at the right time, since (the poem having gone way beyond its origin), it was time to start cutting the strings that still tied it to PJ's shmatte.
Wow. It takes a true genius to turn "Batty" into "Betty."

It's also rather amusing to speculate as to what would have happened had Michael Cook turned "Karma Bombs" into "Payback Bombs." My guess is that Willie would still be whining about it to this day.
Will Dockery
2019-07-08 04:10:58 UTC
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It's also rather amusing to speculate as to what would have happened had Michael Cook turned "Karma Bombs" into "Payback Bombs." My guess is that Willie would still be whining about it to this day
No, that sounds like more of a satire of "Karma Bombs" rather than a plagiarism of the poem.
Rex Hester Jr.
2019-07-12 03:46:08 UTC
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It's also rather amusing to speculate as to what would have happened had Michael Cook turned "Karma Bombs" into "Payback Bombs." My guess is that Willie would still be whining about it to this day
No, that sounds like more of a satire of "Karma Bombs" rather than a plagiarism of the poem.
Indeed....

Will Dockery
2019-07-07 05:41:03 UTC
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That's funny, Todd just told you to shut up in the last thread, Pendragon.

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-07 07:23:31 UTC
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That's funny, Todd just told you to shut up in the last thread, Pendragon.
Todd's the epitome of a second-hander. However, he fails to understand that it's only funny with the Bojack Horseman reference.
Will Dockery
2019-07-07 07:45:12 UTC
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Todd's the epitome of a second-hander
Yet you are the one here doing most of the second-handing, Pen.

Project much?

:)
Michael Pendragon
2019-07-07 08:07:32 UTC
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Todd's the epitome of a second-hander
Yet you are the one here doing most of the second-handing, Pen.
Project much?
I'm the one who first introduced the term "second-hander" to this group; just as I'm the one who first introduced the BH reference with "Shut up, Todd."

That you and Bunny now parrot back my statements speaks volumes.
Will Dockery
2019-07-07 09:18:13 UTC
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I'm the one who first introduced the term "second-hander" to this group
And interestingly, you are the biggest second-hander here, borrowing from everyone, from Cyndi Lauper to Edgar Allan Poe.

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